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Everything is a Remix Part 4

As discussed in Mike Masnick’s Techdirt post When We Copy, We Justify It; When Others Copy, We Vilify Them,

We’ve written multiple times about Kirby Ferguson’s excellent Everything is a Remix project that has produced three videos highlighting the problems and history of intellectual property and how copying and derivative works are a core element of culture and invention. He’s now released the fourth and final installment in the series, and it’s a great summary look at the general problems with intellectual property law today.

Everything is a Remix Part 4 from Kirby Ferguson on Vimeo.

The key theme is that the theory (treating ideas, inventions, content, etc. as a form of “property” — in the minds of many copyright and patent system supporters) simply doesn’t match up with reality (where almost everything is a derivative work of some sort). What the video does nicely is highlight the hypocrisy of it all. As he notes brilliantly, when we copy (and everyone does copy), we justify it. When others copy, however, suddenly we attack them and vilify them. A perfect recent example of this, by the way, was former NYT executive editor Bill Keller’s bizarre defense of the NYT copying and posting a work covered by someone else’s copyright, just days after his own column came out in support of greater legal enforcement of copyrights.

As he notes, this is psychologically understandable. It’s all about “loss aversion.” People feel a sense that they “own” something which they really do not — and that’s often boosted by the concepts of intellectual property that really spread the idea that you can, in fact, own an idea (and, yes, technically neither copyright nor patents apply directly to “ideas,” but that’s a nuance that most people fail to grasp when they see how content and inventions are considered “owned” under the laws of today).

The video then talks about the continued expansion of copyright laws, and the more nefarious effort to continue to ratchet things up through trade agreements like ACTA and TPP. But he also points out that this is somewhat ironic, since in its early years, the US refused to sign similar trade agreements, and was a “pirate nation” that ignored copyrights from around the globe.

The video doesn’t just cover copyrights, but digs into patents as well — with specific attention paid to broad software patents that do little to contribute any knowledge to the world, but instead take broad concepts and seek to lock them up for the purpose of suing and trying to extract settlements from those actually creating and innovating.

From there he breaks out the original purpose of both copyrights and patents under the US system. In both cases, they were about benefiting the public: to encourage learning or to promote the progress of “useful” arts (inventions). But when the laws fail to do that, then we should see the system as broken and seek to remedy it.

All in all, Ferguson’s series is a great introduction to many of the issues we cover around here. I don’t fully agree with everything in all of the videos — and the latest one has a slight undertone suggesting that capitalism and markets in and of themselves are bad (which I think is conflating a few different issues). But overall the videos are fantastic — and in terms of production quality, it seems like each one in the series is better than the previous one. He keeps maturing as a video maker, which is cool to see. Ferguson is now moving on to a new project, called This is Not a Conspiracy Theory, for which he’s raising funds on Kickstarter, so check it out.

 

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Sad. How anyone can think this is anything but anti-competitive is beyond me. This is not the free market. From

Apple Secures Win Against Motorola Over ‘Slide-to-Unlock’ Patent

iphone slide to unlock

Apple won another patent victory against Motorola today regarding Cupertino’s “slide-to-unlock” technology.

Judge Dr. Peter Guntz of the Munich I Regional Court found that some of Motorola Mobility’s products infringe on Apple’s slide-to-unlock image patent, according to patent blogger Florian Mueller, who attended this morning’s hearing.

The court evaluated three implementations of slide-to-unlock on Motorola devices. Apple won on the first two, which relate to Motorola smartphones, but lost on the third, which is used in the Motorola Xoom tablet.

“That implementation is very similar to what I have on my Samsung Galaxy Note: the user has to make a swiping gesture from the inside of a circle to the outside,” Mueller wrote in a blog post. “It requires a relatively large screen to work somewhat well, but even then it’s not very intuitive.”

What happens next is up to Apple. With today’s ruling, Apple has the right to enforce the injunction and pull the offending Motorola products from store shelves in Germany. But if Motorola wins on appeal, Apple will have to reimburse the company all the money it lost while its products were banned. As a result, Apple will have to decide if it’s worth the gamble.

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From Reason Hit & Run:

Two Decades of Attempts to Enforce Copyright

 | February 15, 2012

Over at Ars Technica, Reason contributor Tim Lee has an excellent brief summary of the last twenty years worth of attempts to use legislation and the court system system to protect copyright. Lowlights include the increasing copyright infringement fines in 1997; the passage of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) in 1998, which gave copyright owners effective control over the design of playback devices; the music industry forcing an early cloud music service out of business and pursuing legal action against a DVD jukebox manufacturer for violating the DMCA; and the 2008 passage of the PRO-IP act, which gave way to a series of domestic Internet domain seizures beginning in 2010. In other words, legislators have bought into the industry’s digital piracy panic and given copyright owners all sorts of legal powers and enforcement help over the years. But as we saw with the recent debate over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), the film and music industries are continuing to demand more legal power and government protection, arguing that they can’t compete without it—despite evidence suggesting that these industries are in many ways doing fine.

Update: See Lee’s pro-patent talk here:

See also Mike Masnick’s Techdirt post, How Much Is Enough? We’ve Passed 15 ‘Anti-Piracy’ Laws In The Last 30 Years.

Note also that although Lee does good work here surveying the last two decades of attempts to enforce copyright, Lee is not an opponent of patent or copyright. As I noted in $30 Billion Taxfunded Innovation Contracts: The “Progressive-Libertarian” Solution, in an IP debate on Cato, Lee wrote:

I can’t agree with Baker that all copyright and patent monopolies are illegitimate. Copyright and patent protections have existed since the beginning of the republic, and if properly calibrated they can (as the founders put it) promote the progress of science and the useful arts. Like any government intervention in the economy, they need to be carefully constrained. But if they are so limited, they can be a positive force in the American economy.

As I wrote in response: Ah, yes, that’s our job as market liberals–to help the state “properly calibrate” its grants of pattern privilege!

Also, in my post Thick and Thin Libertarians on IP and Open Source, I noted Lee had expressed some somewhat confused views on net neutrality, IP, and thin libertarianism; see also our interesting exchange there in the comments. Here’s hoping that as Lee examines more and more examples and evidence of the IP police state, Lee will finally come around to the position that copyright (and patent) should be abolished,  instead of thinking they should be “properly calibrated.”

 

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From a post at reddit, a heartbreaking story of a grad student’s career destroyed by the mere threat of a copyright lawsuit from Fox even though he had a license from Isaac Asimov’s wife. This is one reason that, although I oppose a “loser pays” rule (see Is “Loser Pays” Libertarian? and Gizmodo: The US Patent System Is Killing Innovation), I would favor a “losing patent/copyright plaintiff pays” rule. As I proposed in Reducing the Cost of IP Law: “In the US system, a victorious defendant in a patent-infringement lawsuit usually still pays for his legal defense, which may run in the millions of dollars. The system should be changed so that a patentee who loses an infringement suit must pay the defendant’s legal and other costs. The IPO recently proposed a loser-pays approach, but in my view, the defendant should never have to pay the fees of the patentee, since the defendant did not instigate the suit.” The same goes for copyright defendants.

Copyright and patent are evil. Shame on people who support them. (h/t Keith Worrell)

This is Why I Pirate (self.SOPA)

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As a film student in early 2001, I was a juggernaut. I was making a lot of short films that were garnering moderate acclaim, and I was always pushing ahead, making bigger and bigger projects. For my senior thesis, I wanted to base it on a short story by Isaac Asimov, which was part of the compilation that made up the book “I, Robot”. Isaac had died a few years previous, but after a lot of badgering to the publishers, I was finally awarded with the home phone number of his wife, Janet.

I figured that the number I was given was just another publishing associate, so I dialed with thinly veiled skepticism. To my surprise, the voice that answered was a feeble, elderly woman. I struggled through my initial shock to explain that I was a student; I wanted to use her husband’s story as a basis for my project, and could I get her permission. She said that it sounded like fun, and gave me the number of the estate attorney, so I could get a written form that gave me the go-ahead. I called, I got permission, and they faxed the form to my professor’s office.

2 weeks later, 30 people showed up to help build sets, sew costumes, and make a little bit of history. Sadly, I let them all down.

In our last week of shooting, 3 months after I received written consent to use the short story, one of the crew brought in a copy of Variety, which mentioned that FOX purchased the book rights to I, Robot, and planned to make a film. Initially, I thought, “Awesome – free promotion!” Alas, that’s not what was looming on the horizon.

Part of the project was to make posters, trailers, and a website for the film. We even went so far as to create our own production company, as to look professional. Somehow the legal team from Fox found out about a student project, in Indiana, with no budget, being shot in a warehouse basement, and decided to issue a cease and desist order. Basically, what that means, is that Fox’s lawyers said to us, “You’re using our property. Stop, or we’ll sue you into the stone age.” I responded by sending them the consent form from the Asimov estate, and explained that it was a student project, not a commercial venture worth litigating. I turned over our script, our shooting notes, our shot list, copies of our tapes and even the concept art drawings.

Instead of the letter recognizing our valiant efforts as students that I expected, I found myself on the tail end of a phone call that changed my life. I was contacted directly by the lead of Fox’s legal team, who explained my situation to me very clearly. He told me that I was technically in my legal right to use Isaac Asimov’s material. However, if I chose to proceed, they would file multiple lawsuits totaling over 2 million dollars against me. In the end, I might win, but it would take hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees just to fight it, but it would cost Fox nothing. It would be 10 years before any type of verdict could be levied, and by then it wouldn’t even matter.

I was 22. I was working 2 jobs, making about $9 an hour, in addition to attending school. I had taken out every student loan I could get to finance my film, which totaled about $10,000 in debt. I had spent my last dollar to buy breakfast for the crew on the last day of shooting. I was properly fucked. I caved.

In the end, my professors had sympathy on me. They had visited the set, seen the dailies, and recognized my talent and dedication. I graduated with honors, without ever turning in a senior thesis project. I guess that they assumed I had learned the most valuable of all life lessons.

Looking back, I can recognize that the lawyers were only doing their job. The same applies for the tank drivers in Tienanmen Square. The busboys on the Titanic. The janitors at Auschwitz.

To Fox, I was only worth a couple of hours of an intern’s time, and a 10 minute phone call. To me, they completely pulled the rug out from underneath the career that I’d been trying to carve out for myself. Without a thesis project, I couldn’t apply to grad schools, and by the time I’d recuperated from the costs I’d incurred, I’d already been forced to accept a different career path, and rearranged my life to fit. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had a fairly successful career designing web sites for major entities, and I make a decent living. I was willing to pick up and start over, but I can’t help but harbor resentment for having my wings clipped so early, and so unjustly.

My story is not unique, nor is it very interesting. I’m one of many that have had a short end of the stick handed to them by a big faceless monster, and I feel that it’s my right and responsibility to take that short bit and fight back. One download at a time.

I get to watch the studios systematically destroy the art of film. One download at a time.

I get to defy the system in my own petty way. One download at a time.

I want to watch it burn. One download at a time.

***edit – I still have the exterior production model in my attic. This will give some idea as to the scale and quality that we shot. It’s about 6 feet long: http://imgur.com/a/NOTyU#0

Here’s a clip from the film (keep in mind that it was editing from 640×480 daily reels, ten years ago): http://youtu.be/M6j8dtHaokg

(There’s a lot blacked out, since I had to cut all the title stuff, names, etc…)

Cheers!

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Yglesias: Copying Is Not Stealing

Very good, solid piece by Yglesias in Slate:

Copying Is Not Stealing

And other ideas about copyright that Caleb Crain and I agree on.

By |Posted Monday, Jan. 30, 2012, at 2:08 PM ET

The Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes

The Miracle of the Loaves and FishesPainting by Lambert Lombard.

I’m having a little bit of trouble discerning what exactly Caleb Crain and I are disagreeing about. He seems to think I’m mistaken about copyright policy, but he doesn’t quite specify what the nature of the disagreement is. He clearly finds me distasteful, and thus finds it pleasurable to muse on the possibility that he might steal my lunch (or reduce my salary to $0). But after considering these possibilities at length, he concedes—as I wrote earlier this month—that copying is in fact not stealing.

He seems to pass over this point lightly, but it’s worth dwelling on. Someone might break into my house and steal some homemade tomato sauce from my freezer. It would be another thing entirely for Crain to miraculously duplicate the sauce, causing the world’s total stock of tomato sauce to increase. In an intermediate case, Crain might simply copy down the ingredients (I follow Mario Batali’s recipe but add some crushed red pepper) and cook his own sauce. Copyright law does not deem it illegal to imitate someone else’s recipe, and nobody seems to regard doing so as morally problematic. Crain cites Immanuel Kant on the moral rights of the author, but this seems to me to relate to plagiarism rather than copying. For me to imitate Batali’s recipes and pass them off as my own would be unsporting in the extreme (though not, I think, illegal), and self-respecting people don’t do such things.

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N.b.: Jeff Tucker and I also used the picture and analogy of the loaves and fishes in our “Goods, Scarce and Nonscarce.” See also Nina Paley’s Copying is not Theft Minute Meme.

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Are Creative Commons Licenses Even Enforceable?

I’ve long been concerned that Creative Commons (CC) licenses are not enforceable. I’d like to explain, but a bit of background is necessary first.

General Confusion About IP

My main focus here is copyright, one type of so-called “intellectual property,” or IP, since CC has to do with licenses (permissions) for copyright-protected works or authorship.

Now IP is an umbrella term encompassing a number of different, but related, areas of law, such as patent, copyright, trademark, and trade secret.1 Each of them is unjust and full of arcane, specialized concepts, non-intuitive and arbitrary rules, and ambiguous or even inconsistent provisions. It can be frustrating to discuss IP policy with laymen because of this. (And it’s always frustrating to discuss IP policy with “experts” because they almost always favor IP or at least take an ad hoc, unprincipled, utilitarian approach. They are never in favor of striking at the root or of radical proposals like copyright abolition, but only tepid and never-realized “reform.”)

The first problem is that most people can’t even keep the types of IP law straight. They talk about copyrighting an invention, though that’s what patents are for (Rothbard, in his critique of patent and state copyright, tried to articulate some limited defense of a type of private, contract-based protection for inventions, like mousetraps, using the term “copyright” to describe this).2 They confuse patent with trade secret. They confuse copyright infringement with plagiarism when these have nothing to do with each other. They confuse trademark with protecting consumers from fraud, even though this is a big lie (if it’s about consumer fraud why not just rely on fraud law? why is it the trademark owner who gets to sue the guy who defrauds his customers, instead of the customers having the cause of action? why can the trademark owner sue the guy who sells a knockoff purse even when the consumer knows it’s a knockoff? why can the trademark owner sue someone else for “antidilution” even when there is no consumer confusion whatsoever?).

And another problem is business people often use “IP” to refer to their knowhow or technology. “Our IP is our way of doing X,” etc. This seems to be some form of metonymy (or is it reverse metonymy?), in which people refer to the thing protected by IP law (designs, recipes, etc.), as IP itself. It does get confusing. And this is to the advantage of the state, and advocates of IP. Proponents are special interest factions; those harmed by IP are diffuse and ignorant of the details. The story of the state.

Most people do not understand IP law at all, yet they cling to bromides and slogans they’ve heard the intellectual propagandists sling around. They think copyright is meant to protect the author, and so on. They think copying information is somehow “theft” or “piracy”3 and that emulating others in the market is somehow “unfair competition,” even though, umm, competition is what the free market is supposed to be about.4

Copyright, Public Domain, Hypocrisy, and Ignorance

A strange criticism is often made of copyright opponents, due to the above-noted ignorance and confusion. As I noted in Copyright is very sticky!, often we opponents of copyright are accused of hypocrisy because we purportedly “copyright” our articles and books. [continue reading…]

  1. “Intellectual Property” as an umbrella term and as propaganda: a reply to Richard Stallman; Types of IP. []
  2. Discussed in Against Intellectual Property. []
  3. Sharing Is Not Piracy; Stop calling patent and copyright “property”; stop calling copying “theft” and “piracy”. []
  4. Intellectual Property Advocates Hate Competition. []
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Tomkow’s Inane “Argument” for IP

I’ve argued before that There are No Good Arguments for Intellectual Property. This is why we are seeing The Death Throes of Pro-IP Libertarianism.1 The latest competitor for the worst argument for IP comes in the section “MORAL 5: Anything can be property,” of one “Tomkow”‘s post The Origins of Property II. The argument is too insipid and stupid to spend much time on, but here are a few comments I dashed off to the author after he wasted my time by emailing me about this dreck.

He wrote me “Among the morals is that intellectual property can be property simpliciter.” My reply (edited to remove profanity and typos, because this stuff really annoys me):

Yes, you “can” treat non-scarce things as property. but “so what”? https://c4sif.org/2011/10/classifying-patent-and-copyright-law-as-property-so-what/

You “can” treat other humans as property too. So what?

The question is what property rules are justified.

“You can’t homestead on intellectual property.” Hunh? Awkward phrasing. confused. A sign of unclear thinking.

“The most rabidly libertarian sites on the internet regularly feature writers [i.e. Kinsella] who demand the socialization of intellectual property with the same fervor (and mostly the same arguments) as Marxists decrying the private ownership of steel mills.”

This is bullshit and dishonest question-begging. It’s only “socialist” if IP is property, or should be.

“The problem is usually framed like this: How can the simple fact that someone else thought of it first make it wrong for me to practice an invention or play a tune without that person’s permission?

I don’t think there is a good answer to that question, but it is the wrong question.”

It’s only the wrong question insofar as patents don’t even require you to be the first inventor to get the effing monopoly.

“in appreciation for his great service I now say to him and all of you that, from this day forward, if I should ever sing a note of that song I hereby grant permission to Wilt and everyone else here assembled to beat the crap out of me.”

Two problems here. First, in most cases today there IS no actual agreement. Second, even if this statement was made it ought not be enforceable for inalienability reasons. And by the way, not only does this “argument” for IP not even purport to justify patent, it doesn’t justify copyright either since copyright has nothing to do with contract. Nothing. Contracts is between two or some limited number of actual parties. Property rights, which IP pretends to be, is in rem–good against everyone in the world, whether there is a contract negotiated or not.

This is the worst argument for IP that I have ever seen. Just about. Completely sucks. Dishonest or shoddy or stupid, I am not sure which, but it is incoherent and moronic

  1. See also The Four Historical Phases of IP Abolitionism. []
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Free software advocate Richard Stallman, a critic of some aspects of IP law (though not completely consistently, and not from a libertarian perspective),1 emailed me recently to suggest that we opponents of IP should not use the term “Intellectual Property” to include patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, etc., for two reasons. First: the term is biased in favor of the legitimacy of various IP laws. Second, it is inappropriate to treat various legal regimes under a common heading, as they are all very different. I agree with the first but not with the second point.

In support of his contentions he cited his article  Did You Say “Intellectual Property”? It’s a Seductive Mirage for the reasons. Below is an edited version of my response to his article.

[Update: See also Stallman, Did You Say ‘Intellectual Property’? It’s a Seductive Mirage; pdf; gnu; pdf]

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Thanks for your comments. My book Against Intellectual Property [which Stallman had referred to but had not read] is online here https://c4sif.org/resources/ along with shorter pieces.

I have admired your work in the area, by the way, and your general skepticism of copyright, though I believe my view goes further than yours and has a different base, as my remarks below will reveal.

Here is my take on this issue.

I don’t like the term IP because it is a propaganda term used to justify state monopolies. But the fact I don’t like it doesn’t change the fact that words have meanings and we need to use them to communicate with others. Though I have flirted with other names and often call them pattern privileges, censorship, monopolies, and so on.

My main targets are patent and copyright, and I do think they bear some similarities. When I write they are usually the main things I attack and I treat them together since they suffer from similar flaws, and wreak similar damage. And I usually am careful to say “by IP I mean patent and copyright”.

But the fact is I oppose all IP of all types (and there are many types)—not only trademark and trade secret but other things like defamation law etc. I would abolish all of them as they all violate property rights, and in similar ways (I am a libertarian). I would abolish trademark and trade secret as well. The worst of all is copyright, and the next worst is patent. The others are all far behind, but are all unambiguously bad. I have tried to present a very coherent and consistent framework of justice and property rights (“Intellectual Property and Libertarianism”, “What Libertarianism Is“) and explain from that framework what is the nature of so-called IP (or pattern privileges) and why they are all completely unjust.

So I would agree that I don’t like the loaded term IP, and would prefer another term; but I would still use an overall umbrella concept to refer to the various types of IP, all of which are statist and amount to theft of real property. That is because my approach is a principled, systematic one, and I want to totally abolish all these forms of false property, for the same reasons, more or less. That said, as a practicing patent/IP attorney I can assure you I know the differences and point it out when necessary, e.g. when giving examples of how various types of IP cause harm (The Patent, Copyright, Trademark, and Trade Secret Horror Files) or when recommending incremental reform (How to Improve Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Law).

Let me address some of the claims in your article you linked, though not comprehensively, as my general stance is probably already evident from the above comments.

It has become fashionable to toss copyright, patents, and trademarks—three separate and different entities involving three separate and different sets of laws—plus a dozen other laws into one pot and call it “intellectual property”. The distorting and confusing term did not become common by accident. Companies that gain from the confusion promoted it. The clearest way out of the confusion is to reject the term entirely.

That is a strategical matter and I cannot claim to be an expert on this. If I opposed only patent, or copyright, or both, or only wanted reform instead of abolition, you might be right. I would be against drug laws, taxes, copyright, and patent, or for reform, and could not lump them all together (but actually I could: they all violate property rights; but patent and copyright do so in a similar way by a triangular intervention in the market by the state that grants a monopoly privilege to someone). But I am for abolition of all types of IP. Not just tinkering or improvement or reform.

What should I have called my book? Against Patent, Copyright, Trademark, Trade Secret, Boat Hull Design, Database Rights, Moral Rights, Defamation Law…? If there is nothing in common, why not throw in drug prohibition? If there is something in common, what general term would you propose? I could have called it Against Monopoly (and in fact Boldrin and Levine did call theirs Against Intellectual Monopoly) but I am not sure everyone knows what that means, and if I am writing against monopoly I would have to include the state’s monopoly status over courts, military, roads, etc.–yet that was not my focus. Or I could write one book on patents, one on copyright, and so on. Which seems the wrong approach.

Seriously: if I oppose the big 4: patent, copyright, trademark, and trade secret, what term would you recommend…? Your proposal below of GOLEM is not serious; no one would know what I am talking about. I don’t think becoming a lexical crank is going to help me communicate with people I am trying to communicate with. I prefer to just identify something by its common name, and then state clearly why I think it is wrong. I don’t think social security is really security, but I use that name. I don’t think the PATRIOT act is really patriotic. But that’s it’s name.  I don’t think the Dept. of Defense is engaged in defense, but rather aggression and war. I don’t think the No Child Left Behind Act really leaves no children behind. But I can’t pick the names of these statutes–their authors do.

According to Professor Mark Lemley, now of the Stanford Law School, the widespread use of the term “intellectual property” is a fashion that followed the 1967 founding of the World “Intellectual Property” Organization (WIPO), and only became really common in recent years. (WIPO is formally a UN organization, but in fact represents the interests of the holders of copyrights, patents, and trademarks.) Wide use dates from around 1990. (Local image copy)

The term carries a bias that is not hard to see: it suggests thinking about copyright, patents and trademarks by analogy with property rights for physical objects. (This analogy is at odds with the legal philosophies of copyright law, of patent law, and of trademark law, but only specialists know that.)

Well Richard Epstein would disagree with you on the analogy issue, but then he is pro-IP. But I disagree with him (Classifying Patent and Copyright Law as “Property”: So What?), and I agree with you here. But it is the term “property” that is the problem–implying that IP laws are types of property, as legitimate as property, analogous to property–not the fact that these 4+ areas of law are treated as part of a common grouping. If we called them monopoly privileges, or something like that, that would be fine. It would not carry a bias other than that these various types of law all share some features in common.

These laws are in fact not much like physical property law, but use of this term leads legislators to change them to be more so. Since that is the change desired by the companies that exercise copyright, patent and trademark powers, the bias introduced by the term “intellectual property” suits them.

Again, agreed. And I do not like the term. But I do not know a better one to use that can still communicate with others; so I try to be crystal clear that I disagree that IP is really property or that it should be, and to throw in pejorative synonyms for IP, such as intellectual monopoly or pattern privileges, to make sure I am not endorsing the legitimacy of such laws.

The bias is reason enough to reject the term, and people have often asked me to propose some other name for the overall category—or have proposed their own alternatives (often humorous). Suggestions include IMPs, for Imposed Monopoly Privileges, and GOLEMs, for Government-Originated Legally Enforced Monopolies. Some speak of “exclusive rights regimes”, but referring to restrictions as “rights” is doublethink too.

Some of these alternative names would be an improvement, but it is a mistake to replace “intellectual property” with any other term. A different name will not address the term’s deeper problem: overgeneralization. There is no such unified thing as “intellectual property”—it is a mirage. The only reason people think it makes sense as a coherent category is that widespread use of the term has misled them.

I just don’t see this. You may be right, but I don’t see it. Certainly in my case it did not mislead me. I never thought they were legitimate because they had an umbrella term.

The term “intellectual property” is at best a catch-all to lump together disparate laws. Nonlawyers who hear one term applied to these various laws tend to assume they are based on a common principle and function similarly.

But they do and are. They are mostly based on various utilitarian and other mistakes: basically the mistaken idea that labor is property or that value is property or the labor theory of value, and similar ideas; all because of failure to have a clear understanding of the function and purpose of property as permitting conflict-free use of SCARCE resources.2 All of these laws try to grant rights in non-scarce patterns of information, but since this is impossible they end up transferring property rights in already owned scarce resources from the owner to some new IP claimant: i.e. they all redistribute wealth in the name of some monopoly privilege.

Nothing could be further from the case. These laws originated separately, evolved differently, cover different activities, have different rules, and raise different public policy issues.

I agree with all except the last. They did arise differently but so did alcohol prohibition, cocaine prohibition, and tobacco regulation, but there are commonalities to all and they are all immoral and unjust for similar reasons (and cause similar problems). Can I not say I am against all state laws that regulate or prohibit the ingestion of harmful substances? Or must I list that I am an opponent of laws banning marijuana, alcohol, cocaine, crystal meth, LSD…. and keep listing forever?

Copyright law was designed to promote authorship and art,

No it wasn’t. Originally it was for thought control.3 And as for what it “was designed” to do in the Constitution in 1789, we know what the stated purpose was but I don’t take the state’s word for its real purposes; if indeed there can be said to be any real purposes to a cobbled together statute assembled by a bunch of self-interested politicians each with their own agendas and the result of compromises often intended to introduce ambiguity on purpose just to permit a compromise to be made.And there was then not and is not now evidence that copyright promotes creativity or art4 –so how can you say the Framers really believed it would do this? They had no reason to know this. I don’t think they were sincere. They were making deals and compromises, wielding power and making arbitrary decrees and decisions.

and covers the details of expression of a work. Patent law was intended to promote the publication of useful ideas, at the price of giving the one who publishes an idea a temporary monopoly over it—a price that may be worth paying in some fields and not in others.

It is not worth paying, ever. The fact is that there are differences, but they are irrelevant to the basic issue of why they are unjust. Someone holding a copyright can censor me and tell me not to use my own property (body, hands, voice, paper, ink) in a certain way. It basically gives a negative servitude (a type of property right) to a third part, in my property. They become co-owners with me over my own property. That is why it is wrong. Same with patent: the patent holder can tell me how not to use my own property in a certain way: I cannot use my hands to make a mousetrap of a certain shape, even using my own raw materials.Same with trademark: Chanel can tell me not to make a certain handbag of a certain shape, even if I am selling it to someone who knows it’s a knockoff and thus is not being defrauded.

Same with trade secret: a company can get a court order forcing a third party not to reveal or act on information he receievd from the company’s ex-employee, i.e. the company has a partial ownership in the body and property of the third party.

And it is the same with reputation rights (defamation): A can tell B that he cannot use his body or paper to communicate certain words to C, even though these words do not commit aggression against either A or C.

Of course it is the same with boat hull designs, with moral rights, and with anti-circumvention technology prohibitions of the DMCA, or the anti-dilution provisions of the Lanham Act, or the proposed database rights, bartender/chef recipe rights, newspaper headline rights, and fashion design.

Trademark law, by contrast, was not intended to promote any particular way of acting, but simply to enable buyers to know what they are buying.

This is not true. Fraud law is sufficient for this purpose. Trademark law gives the cause of action not to the buyer, but to the trademark “owner.” Why? The buyer is the one victimized by deceit or fraud, not the trademark owner. And trademark law allows lawsuits when the buyer is not confused at all, such as the knockoff purse example noted above. And it now has antidilution provisions (since 1995 IIRC) which has nothing to do with buyer confusion.

Legislators under the influence of the term “intellectual property”, however, have turned it into a scheme that provides incentives for advertising.

Legislators and their cronies themselves came up with this propaganda term. It is not the influence of their own propaganda word that has made them bad. It is that they are bad and corrupt that the term arose in the first place–and, worse, the laws covered by the term. The problem is we have a socialist-statist government that claims the power and right to take property from people by legislative fiat. Naturally such a criminal state (or do I repeat myself) will find itself lobbied by people that it can help, like corporations and special interests, much like Disney got Congressmen in its pay to give Mickey Mouse more life, and much like the fascist RIAA and MPAA almost got congress to enact SOPA, which doesn’t really matter since they already got fascist pig Obama to sign ACTA and the TPP is coming along anyway.

Since these laws developed independently, they are different in every detail, as well as in their basic purposes and methods. Thus, if you learn some fact about copyright law, you’d be wise to assume that patent law is different. You’ll rarely go wrong!

Actually, Dr. Stallman, now that I think about it, I think treating these laws separately helps the state because it is a divide and conquer technique. Nobody can keep them all straight so they defer to the experts. And you can’t have a general case against all of them, you have to find a separate argument–usually empirical, unprincipled, non-radical, and utilitarian–against each of them. The state benefits by miring the populace in irrelevant details and specialist arcana and jargon, instead of letting them see the general case and why it is essentially wrong. The details do not matter. Since I have become a public and somewhat prominent IP abolitionist–about 11 years ago but more and more prominently in the last 5 years—I cannot even recount how many people I have seen come resoundingly to my position. (Here’s the latest.) The message does work.5

People often say “intellectual property” when they really mean some larger or smaller category.

Well the law is confusing; that is true. Like the tax code is. Another problem is business people often use “IP” to refer to their knowhow or technology. Like a form of metonymy, they refer to the thing protected by IP law, as IP itself. It does get confusing. I agree. IP is the wrong term. But a single umbrella term is justified, IMO.

For instance, rich countries often impose unjust laws on poor countries to squeeze money out of them. Some of these laws are “intellectual property” laws, and others are not; nonetheless, critics of the practice often grab for that label because it has become familiar to them. By using it, they misrepresent the nature of the issue. It would be better to use an accurate term, such as “legislative colonization”, that gets to the heart of the matter.

You might be right but this is a problem of legislation in general–the state always lies and distorts and propagandizes, not that it’s very hard to do so after dumbing the populace down through government schools.

Laymen are not alone in being confused by this term. Even law professors who teach these laws are lured and distracted by the seductiveness of the term “intellectual property”, and make general statements that conflict with facts they know. For example, one professor wrote in 2006:

Unlike their descendants who now work the floor at WIPO, the framers of the US constitution had a principled, procompetitive attitude to intellectual property. They knew rights might be necessary, but…they tied congress’s hands, restricting its power in multiple ways.

That statement refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 8 of the US Constitution, which authorizes copyright law and patent law. That clause, though, has nothing to do with trademark law or various others. The term “intellectual property” led that professor to make false generalization.

I’d say intellectual laziness or sloppiness had. Some types of IP are authorized by the Constitution (patent and copyright), others are not, like trade secret and trademark, though the corrupt government courts have said the feds do have the power via the interstate commerce clause.

The term “intellectual property” also leads to simplistic thinking. It leads people to focus on the meager commonality in form that these disparate laws have—that they create artificial privileges for certain parties—and to disregard the details which form their substance: the specific restrictions each law places on the public, and the consequences that result. This simplistic focus on the form encourages an “economistic” approach to all these issues.

I disagree. In fact it is the unprincipled econometric/utilitarian type approach to evaluating all law that leads to a concrete-bound need to assess the economic merits of each particular policy and never to strike at the root. Consequences are used, by me, simply to illustrate the harm that comes from unjust policies. But the essential case against all these forms of IP is not consequentialist or that of a simpleminded utilitarian: it is a principled one that recognizes these laws trample on individual property rights.

Economics operates here, as it often does, as a vehicle for unexamined assumptions. These include assumptions about values, such as that amount of production matters while freedom and way of life do not, and factual assumptions which are mostly false, such as that copyrights on music supports musicians, or that patents on drugs support life-saving research.

Yes, the defenders of IP law come up with a host of dishonest, makeweight arguments for these laws.

Another problem is that, at the broad scale implicit in the term “intellectual property”, the specific issues raised by the various laws become nearly invisible. These issues arise from the specifics of each law—precisely what the term “intellectual property” encourages people to ignore. For instance, one issue relating to copyright law is whether music sharing should be allowed; patent law has nothing to do with this.

Except when patents might shut down the Internet (The Patent Threat to the Internet).But the argument against copyright is not that it hampers music sharing. That is just an illustration of the damage done by granting rights in so-called “ideal objects” or universals–patterns of information (a song).6 But the same reason that it is wrong to grant a legal right to a song is the same reason it is wrong to grant a legal right to an invention: they are both ideal objects, or patterns of information, that someone aware of the information is not permitted to use to guide his actions as he sees fit.

Patent law raises issues such as whether poor countries should be allowed to produce life-saving drugs and sell them cheaply to save lives; copyright law has nothing to do with such matters.

Unless the copyright restrictions and the corporatist gatekeeper publishing industry that prohibits the open dissemination of information ends up with some less educated scientists in the other countries who are less able to figure out how to make the drugs in the first place.

Neither of these issues is solely economic in nature, and their noneconomic aspects are very different; using the shallow economic overgeneralization as the basis for considering them means ignoring the differences. Putting the two laws in the “intellectual property” pot obstructs clear thinking about each one.

I think you are right in part that grouping these things may aid the state and proponents of IP; but it also aids us in making a principled opposition to all these horrendous laws.

Thus, any opinions about “the issue of intellectual property” and any generalizations about this supposed category are almost surely foolish.

I don’t think I or my arguments are foolish.

If you think all those laws are one issue, you will tend to choose your opinions from a selection of sweeping overgeneralizations, none of which is any good.

There is nothing wrong with conceptualization, appropriate generalization, and thinking in principles and in clear, coherent, systematic concepts.

If you want to think clearly about the issues raised by patents, or copyrights, or trademarks, or various other different laws, the first step is to forget the idea of lumping them together, and treat them as separate topics. The second step is to reject the narrow perspectives and simplistic picture the term “intellectual property” suggests. Consider each of these issues separately, in its fullness, and you have a chance of considering them well.

The problem is I am a perfect counterexample to your assertion, because I think very clearly about these issues and have helped open the eyes of a large number of libertarians, at least.
All my best,

SK

  1. See my posts Stallman: An Internet-Connectivity Tax to Compensate Artists and Authors; Eben Moglen and Leftist Opposition to Intellectual Property; and An Open Letter to Leftist Opponents of Intellectual Property: On IP and the Support of the State; also Nina Paley’s “Rantifesto”: Why are the Freedoms guaranteed for Free Software not guaranteed for Free Culture?. []
  2. See my posts On the Danger of Metaphors in Scientific Discourse; Hume on Intellectual Property and the Problematic “Labor” Metaphor; Objectivist Law Prof Mossoff on Copyright; or, the Misuse of Labor, Value, and Creation Metaphors; Locke, Smith, Marx and the Labor Theory of Value. []
  3. See The Surprising History of Copyright: Karl Fogel at Google Tech Talks. []
  4. See Yet Another Study Finds Patents Do Not Encourage Innovation. []
  5. See my The Death Throes of Pro-IP Libertarianism”, The Four Historical Phases of IP Abolitionism. []
  6. “Ideal objects” is Tom Palmer’s term; Roderick Long notes there should not be property in information because information “is a universal, existing in other people’s minds and other people’s property, and over these the originator has no legitimate sovereignty. You cannot own information without owning other people.” See Tom Palmer, “Intellectual Property: A Non-Posnerian Law and Economics Approach”Download PDF and “Are Patents and Copyrights Morally Justified? The Philosophy of Property Rights and Ideal Objects”Download PDF; Roderick Long, The Libertarian Case Against Intellectual Property Rights. Also see Long’s “Bye-Bye for IP,” Austro-Athenian Empire Blog (May 20, 2010). See also “Against Intellectual Property After Twenty Years: Looking Back and Looking Forward”, the section “Resources, Properties, Features, and Universals“. []
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Abject Dogma’s Review of Against Intellectual Property

I just came across a pretty nice review of my monograph Against Intellectual Property, by anarchist “Abject Dogma,” as part of his “10 Book Reviews in 10 Days” series (others in his 10-part series can be found here):

10 Book Reviews in 10 Days: Day 6

5-23-2011
Number 5 – Against Intellectual Property by Stephan Kinsella

Against intellectual Property is by far one of the most important documents in libertarian theory. As far as condensed information goes only Gustav de Molinari’s ‘The Production of Security’ or ‘Anatomy of the State’ rival ‘Against IP’. IP as anyone reading this already knows is a hot topic among libertarians. Because of the focus on property rights that is the crux of libertarianism and voluntarism many people take for granted the idea of IP. Others, mostly objectivists, cite Ayn Rand’s disposition towards her own works and her…some would say fanatical defense of IP. In my own personal experience there seem to be an unusual number of software engineers/coders/etc who defend IP…which makes sense due to the (near)infinitely copyable nature of their work though I wonder how many of them regularly visit The Pirate Bay. Unfortunately for them though you don’t get to violate the NAP whenever it is convenient or relevant to your employment.

Kinsella’s argument is multi-faceted; he refutes Utilitarian, Natural Rights, Contract and property-rights defences of IP and the book is targeted towards libertarians and non-libertarians alike. This book is only about 60 pages long but managed to fully convince me that this issue is settled from an An-Cap stand point. Kinsella argues that not only does IP not help innovation but stifles it. The property rights argument was actually settled by Rothbard in Man, Economy, & State where he explicitly states that recipes are not property and this extends to IP as well being that any given item of IP is not scarce and therefore not an economic good, Kinsella merely elaborates this point but it was a necessary elaboration.

The two most important arguments in ‘Against IP’ are that contracts cannot bind a third party and that you have no right to ‘the value of the property’. For the former: A contracts with B to not copy a mousetrap but C sees the mousetrap on B’s desk. C is under no contractual obligation to not copy the mousetrap. The latter is basically a reference to Hans-Herman Hoppe who successfully argued that you only have a right to your property’s physical integrity not to any ‘intrinsic value’. Both of these have been vital in the evolution of my own thought and will serve anyone as a primer to further libertarian philosophy especially Block and his endlessly entertaining defense of the right to blackmail.

Final Score: 9.25
Topic appeal: 10
Information: 8
Execution: 9.5

Special modifier: — No modifier for this one, it is a solid work with few flaws and I wish it had ended the IP discussion among libertarians once and for all, alas that is not the case which is endlessly frustrating. If anyone would like to yell at me about how vital IP is [email protected] for all of your hate-mail.

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Remigijus ŠimašiusAs I noted in UK Minister says website blocking proposals “imminent”, in a comment on my google+ post about this, the  Minister of Justice for Lithuania, Remigijus Šimašius, who happens to be an Austro-libertarian (he authored a chapter in the book I edited, Property, Freedom, and Society: Essays in Honor of Hans-Hermann Hoppe), wrote:

Lithuanian minister of Justice (me) says that ACTA (even having in mind its vagueness) may hamper internet freedom and strengthens mechanisms of IP protections to the level which is hardly justifiable.

I asked him for more detail and he pointed me to his blog post about ACTA, which google translates as “ACTA – what a beast and how terrible it is?” His description to me about it is:

I have posted my comments on my blog which was used in Lithuanian media. Today I was asked by many Lithuanian media about ACTA.

The essence of my comment was that certain provisions of ACTA are new to our legal system (more severe punishment, more control of internet providing services) and I do not see why those provisions are necessary.

I have also stated that our life is more and more dependent on R&D, new inventions, creativity. Existing IP protection system, however, is more about protecting the IP protection industry than a protection of inventors and authors. Current debate worldwide is a clear sign that we have to re-evaluate the existing IP rights system.

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Letter from a UK Grad Student

Below is my (lightly edited) reply to an email I received this morning from a UK grad student in economics. One brain at a time. Only 6.999 billion to go.

[Update: See also An Objectivist Recants on IP; Yet another Randian recants on IP; Does Cato’s New Objectivist CEO John Allison Presage Retrogression on IP?; “The Death Throes of Pro-IP Libertarianism”]

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[K], thanks for your nice note. I’m glad you are thinking about these things and having some breakthroughs. This is not an easy issue for people since the idea of IP is so ingrained in our culture and law.

I suggest you start with the resources listed at www.c4sif.org/resources. That should address some of your remaining questions. And if you are in economics then I highly recommend you look into the works of the Austrian school, for what might be an eye-opening approach to your entire discipline. There are a large number of works at www.mises.org but I would suggest you take a look at Mises’s Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science, Hoppe’s Austrian Science and the Economic Method and his A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism, and perhaps Rothbard’s What Has Government Done to Our Money. All these are available free online at Mises.org and Hoppe’s are additionally available at www.hanshoppe.com (which I run).

And see inline below.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:21 PM, [K] wrote:

Dear Sir,

my name is [K] and I’m a graduate Economics student at [a UK university].
I have been intuitively against IP for some time now, with some examples of the absurdities that patents lead to at the back of my head, but I had never really got down to reading up on it.
Only today’s insomnia made me start researching the issue. I immediately came across your talks on Youtube.
Then I went to google scholar and… bang! ALL the articles (on the issue) that came up on the first page of search results found that there is no significant impact of patents on innovation. I’m actually struggling to find any empirical evidence that supports the standard IP argument.
There is none and the IP lobby does not even try to prove this. They just assert it’s obviously true as a matter of faith. The studies are either inconclusive/ambiguous or they indicate that patents harm innovation. http://blog.mises.org/10217/yet-another-study-finds-patents-do-not-encourage-innovation/
I mean.. how much more obvious does it have to get for people to become actively interested in it?! From what you’ve said here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWShFz4d2RY&feature=player_embedded#! it appears that even large corporations come across problems because of IP so how can we possibly still be stuck in this viscious circle??

Part of the problem is most people accept the labor theory of value, so they are all confused about the whole basis of value, property, and rights. This issue confused even Locke, who threw in the unnecessary step about labor. And then it contaminated and infected Marx and economics. And it gives rise to the IP idea because it leads people to erroneously think that creation is a source of property rights: if you “create” some “thing” that has “value” (or as Randians say, if you “create a value,” whatever this means; as if value is a noun, a thing, instead of a preference or assessment of an actor, with respect to a thing, demonstrated in action), by mixing your labor etc., then you own the resulting “thing” you created, whether it’s tangible or whether it’s intangible. They do not stop to think that we do not own labor; labor is just an action you perform with your body. You own your body and that’s sufficient to let you do what you want with it. It’s double counting to say you also own your labor, as if it’s some ownable substance. When you labor to produce some useful good, you are just transforming raw materials into a more valuable configuration or arrangement. This creates wealth, but it does not create a new property right, since you had to already own the input factors to labor on them and transform them. You own the raw materials you appropriate (homestead) that were previously unowned not because you own your labor, but because you were first, and that means you have a superior claim to everyone else, who compared to you are latecomers. So original appropriation does not require the confused Lockean assumption of labor ownership. And you own produced goods that you labored on not because you own your labor but because you already owned the original materials that you have rearranged. Labor is not owned, and is not why we own things. Creation is not a source of rights either, since we cannot create matter we can only find it when it is unowned, and then use our knowledge and labor to transform it into more valuable shapes (thus creating wealth but not any new property rights). The entire way of thinking about labor is the grand mistake in both political theory and economics. It needs to be ripped out of Lockean homesteading and political theory, leaving no room for modern rights-based arguments for IP.

But the second reason I think is that larger companies do benefit from patents. Yes, it adds a cost to their operations, but it’s kind of a wash: sometimes they get money from a competitor, sometimes they have to pay (as in the smartphone patent wars raging now — just google this term on c4sif.org). But more importantly than that, it protects these larger, more entrenched industries from smaller companies and upstarts and new competition, since the smaller companies cannot afford to engage in the patent wars and don’t have the large patent arsenals. So it serves as a barrier to entry and protection from competition. It creates oligopolies. That is why they push for patents to continue. See various posts such as https://c4sif.org/?s=oligop . This is also why big business has always been behind regulations like minimum wage etc.–it harms them less than smaller companies, so it acts as a protection from competition. When you hear big business interests complain about such regulations these are just crocodile tears; it’s like saying “don’t throw me into the briar patch, please!” See e.g. http://blog.mises.org/14623/state-antitrust-anti-monopoly-law-versus-state-ip-pro-monopoly-law/

In the case of copyright most artists are not helped one bit by copyright. The top 0.5% may be, like JK Rowling and Stephen King and Madonna. But most people-no. In fact most are harmed by having their creative freedom hampered–they are limited in what remixing and extending etc. they can engage in. And they often have no choice but to sign away their rights to big content companies, since this entire edifice has arisen as a result of the economic consequences of the copyright monopoly on information. So the main beneficiary of copyright is the music, movie, and publishing industries, since it perpetuated their gatekeeper role which actually originated in the 1400s with attempts to censor and control the publication of books in the wake of the printing press.

A further point that I think needs emphasizing in the context of IP and limitations it imposes is the benefits of opennes and massive collaboration. The idea of crowdsourcing is still under-explored and there are great examples of its potential, for instance the Polymath Project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath_project#Polymath_Project .
anyway, i have just discovered your writings and will proceed to familiarising myself with them.
I just wanted to say that you have re-ignited my interest in Economics and inspired me tremendously. Thank you!
If you ever happen to be around in the UK, I would very much welcome the opportunity of buying you a coffe (or a fine ale). I will definitely enroll in your next online course on IP if there is one.
Thanks–and the last one is online, as are my 3 other Mises Academy classes: they are all listed at stephankinsella.com/media
Also, I’m thinking about writing an article on the issue for a polish newspaper. This knowledge definitely needs to be popularized!

Some of my stuff is already in [that language]–take a look here.

All the best, Stephan

Best wishes
[K]
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UK Minister says website blocking proposals “imminent”

More censorship and threats to freedom of speech in the name of copyright. From IPTegrity.com:

Monica Horten
Published on 08 February 2012

 The British government is about to unveil proposals to block the Internet for copyright enforcement purposes. The confirmation came in a Parliamentary debate yesterday  on Intellectual Property, in which pro-copyright MPs had a little ‘chit-chat’ about   the allegedly  ‘anti-copyright’ government, and indicated their desire for the activation of the Digital Economy Act.

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Update: In a comment on my google+ post about this, my friend Remigijus Šimašius (who authored a chapter in the book I edited, Property, Freedom, and Society: Essays in Honor of Hans-Hermann Hoppe), who is the Minister of Justice for Lithuania, wrote:

Lithuanian minister of Justice (me) says that ACTA (even having in mind its vagueness) may hamper internet freedom and strengthens mechanisms of IP protections to the level which is hardly justifiable.

Further update: see Lithuanian Minister of Justice Condemns ACTA and Calls for Re-evaluation of IP

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Prince vs. Prince on Copyright

Or was he “symbol man” during one of these utterances? From wikipedia:

“If you give away an idea, you still own that idea. In fact, giving it away strengthens it.” — Prince

But wait:

On September 14, 2007, Prince announced that he was going to sue YouTube and eBay because they “are clearly able [to] filter porn and pedophile material but appear to choose not to filter out the unauthorized music and film content which is core to their business success.”

h/t Aaron Graham

Update: as my friend Dan Coleman says: “One could probably assemble a number of these kinds of contradictions from famous people. I know Bezos has one about books where he changed from defending re-selling books through Amazon to enforcing DRM on the Kindle. Steve Jobs made an unfortunate 180 on idea sharing and stealing, too.”

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Amazingly, Spider-Man Pirates Himself

Sam Raimi’s three Spider-Man movies, with Tobey Maguire playing the superhero, were very successful (and the first two, in my view, were very good). And now the film franchise is being “rebooted” with a new cast in the upcoming film The Amazing Spider-Man.

Interestingly, as noted at comicbookmovie.com, Andrew Garfield, the actor playing the new Spider-Man, watched the earlier Spider-Man first via pirated copy, and admitted as much to MTV News:

Andrew Garfield has some big shoes and a tight unitard to fill when he steps into a role that Tobey Maguire did so well at. He’ll have to overcome the comparisons, but after watching the trailer I think the bright young actor will exceed expectations and become the best live-action Spider-Man.

When MTV News’ Josh Horowitz asked Andrew describe the difference between Marc Webb’s version as compared to Sam Raimi’s version he responded:

“I can’t answer that, really. I don’t know. I know that I saw the Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire version before it was legally out. I was so excited to see it, I got a pirate copy,” Garfield told MTV News before a screening event Monday. “I was blown away. [Tobey has] been Spider-Man in my imagination since then, in my mind’s eye.”

The star of The Social Nework went on to talk about the best way that he approached playing the iconic role of Spidey. He tells MTV, “I approached the character like any fan would: with real reverence and terror and attempt to do it justice.”

“I do feel like he’s in me, like all true fans do,” he said. “That’s what being a fan is of a character like this: feeling like there’s no separation between you and them and that you have ownership over them. Ultimately, you have no ownership over it, because he belongs to everybody.”

As Stan Lee might say, ’nuff said!

(h/t Skyler Collins)

Update: This is not the first time I’ve posted about the intersection of comics and IP/politics. See my previous posts below:

Re: Superman Renouncing His US Citizenship

Posted by Stephan Kinsella on April 29, 2011 09:30 AM

Lew, this is a telling development. Good for DC and good for Superman! [continue reading…]

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