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Rob Nielsen: So-Called Intellectual Property

Nice, concise overview of various libertarian arguments against IP by Rob Nielsen on the Living Voluntary blog:

So-Called Intellectual Property

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“He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.” – Thomas Jefferson

Property ownership is central to liberty and civilization. Property rights prevent conflict over the use of scarce resources. Ironically, the term “intellectual property” (aka “IP”) represents a hodgepodge of concepts that generally introduce artificial scarcity and needless conflict.

The term “intellectual property” is a biased overgeneralization that prevents clear thinking. The first step in untangling the conflated IP mess is to identify the distinct concepts that it represents. There are three main things commonly considered to be covered by the IP umbrella: copyright, patent, and trademark.

Copyright: A copyright is said to exist when a “work” is “fixed” in a “tangible medium of expression”. The creator of said “work” is granted exclusive rights of “distribution” of their “original expression”.

Patent: Patents are granted to exclude people from making, using, selling, importing, or distributing an “invention”.

Trademark: A trademark is a recognizable symbol that identifies the brand owner of a particular product or service.
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“Patents are bulls–t,” says Newegg Chief Legal Officer Lee Cheng
At Ars Live 6, we talked to the attorney who fought patent trolls and won.

As I wrote in a Facebook thread:

“It’s all confusion and nonsense. He has no principled position at all. “When Cheng put it that way to his employers, they decided the money was worth it. If Cheng’s strategy worked, they would never have to deal with patent trolls again. “It was obvious there was a scam going on, and someone needed to say no,” he recalled.”

No, this is wrong. Patent trolls are not necessarily “scammers”–sometimes their patents are valid–i.e. will be upheld by a court, and the defendant will LOSE. You can’t just assume you will win if you fight–because there IS PATENT LAW. This guy doesn’t get that the problem with the system is not “scams” and “bullshit patents” but GOOD patents. That’s the real threat to innovation and progress.”

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By Steve Lolyouwish:

The Rise of 3D Printing pushes the State closer to the Absurd Logical Conclusions of Intellectual Property and Copyright


The UK has just changed its copyright-and-patent monopoly law to extend copyright to furniture and to extend the term of that copyright on furniture with about a century. This follows a decision in the European Union, where member states are required to adhere to such an order. This change means that people will be prohibited from using 3D printing and other maker technologies to manufacture such objects, and that for a full century.

The people selling these copies are not necessarily “scam merchants”. Everybody knows they’re copies and not Vitra or Herman Miller originals. […] But – is there really £6800+ worth of value in the Vitraproduct? Or are they just charging that because they can? Who’s the scam merchant?
A relevant question indeed. Where’s the real scam when something designed 50 years ago is suddenly off limits to 3D printing and home manufacturing, requiring people to buy it at a 2000% markup instead?
 
Read the full article by the good folks over at Private Internet Access (a great and important kind of company) covering this issue, here.
Looks like yet another reason to finally abolish copyright and intellectual property, if you ask me. The only ones who will really win out in the grand scheme of things with laws in place for IP and copyright are the state, lawyers, and special interests.
The concept of private property was created and evolved to more easily minimize, manage and settle disputes regarding who had just control over some resource(s) — be it land, real estate, raw materials, capital — or any other kind of actuallyeconomically scarce resource. Desperately needed information systems regarding the supply, demand, their meeting place of ‘price’, profit and loss (which reward or punish you for management or mismanagement of these valuable, scarce resources according to the demand of society) evolved further out of that concept.
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“Let us stand on each other’s shoulders, instead of each other’s feet!”

From: Are “Intellectual Property Rights” Justified? (2000), by Markus Krummenacker

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A Thesis, from Brent Franklin, Philosophy Dept., Central European University, “The Case Against a Moral Right to Intellectual Property” (Budapest, 2013).

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IP Conversation with a Randian

So some Randian, Gary “McGath,” who had published a weak semi-anti-IP article previously, “Patenting Software Threatens Innovation” (his utterly confused and totally useless article pontificates, “Software patents aren’t a necessity. Without patents, code can still be under copyright, protecting its authors from copying without compensation.” Brilliant, Gary, brilliant)—well, he submitted a pro-copyright article to FEE recently, his article “Is Copyright a Right?” As with all pro-IP arguments, it is confused and incoherent.1  As he wrote in his email begging FEE to  publish him, “This article’s thesis is that copyright is a legitimate form of property, based on the same principles as the right to tangible creations. The libertarian case for copyright hasn’t had enough representation lately, and I’m hoping FEE will help to balance the debate by publishing this article.”

Obviously this guy is just another confused Randian who wants to find some way to justify some type of IP protection for his pet interest, software, sort of how Rand searched for a way to find animal rights because she loved her pet cat, Fluffball, or whatever she “Objectively” called it. (But at least, in the end, she had the grace to admit she couldn’t justify animal rights—yet, like most libertarian novelists, she twisted her theories to defend copyright. Because, you know, that’s how you live, man! You got to have protection from competition from the state, man!”)

This amateur, pro-IP, statist submission was rejected by FEE (no surprise, as the founder of FEE, Leonard Read, was naturally against IP) but, I figure, hey, I’ll have a conversation, a discussion, with anyone. So I email him to offer this. I say:

“Tucker told me you wanted to publish an article defending copyright (surprising to me since I believe you opposed software patents in the past). Would you like to have a discussion about it via Skype or phone—not a debate, just a discussion. If it’s not a trainwreck I could post it on my podcast. If you are not aware, I’m a leading libertarian legal theorist and the world’s leading IP policy theorist, and a practicing patent lawyer (also opposed strongly to all forms of IP). Also a semi-/former Randian.

Lemme know.”

His reply:

Stephan,

If you’re talking about offering some money (writing is what I do for a living), sure, I’d be interested in talking about it. My cell number is __. I’ll be around this afternoon from 1 to 6 PM Eastern time.

My views on software patents and on copyrights are two very different things; I believe that copyright is the appropriate level of legal protection for software. My view on copyright is that it stems from the same principles as property rights in tangible objects, coming from a more or less Randian position.

So it’s amazing to me. This is how these Randroid morons think. If you don’t “pay me” I won’t “produce” “values.” They are so… predictable. When I am offering to give him free services valued in the hundreds per hour, plus free publicity. Typical Randroid. You just can’t make this shit up. They really think this way. Unbelievable.

My reply:

“Stephan,

If you’re talking about offering some money (writing is what I do for a living), sure, I’d be interested in talking about it.”

Oh, not at all. I was offering to give you maybe an hour of my time, which is valued at $600 by the market, to help tutor you and educate you, and also give you a bit of free PR, since I’m well known and have a popular podcast. I would never pay you–if anything you could pay me, but I would waive the fee, as a pro bono type gesture, as part of my libertarian activism.

“My cell number is __. I’ll be around this afternoon from 1 to 6 PM Eastern time.

“My views on software patents and on copyrights are two very different things; I believe that copyright is the appropriate level of legal protection for software. My view on copyright is that it stems from the same principles as property rights in tangible objects, coming from a more or less Randian position.”

Yes, I gather you are a Randian. Her views on IP are utterly confused and flawed—her worst mistake, worse even than her mistake on anarchy. I thought you might want to have a conversation about it, but apparently you think you need to be paid for this, so again, let’s forget it. It’s just that I’m always willing to take time pro bono to try to expose errors people have in thinking about IP—either for the benefit of the person I am talking to, or for the audience.

You do realize, by the way that FEE doesn’t pay for articles, so you were willing to have them publish your piece for free (if they would have accepted it, which they didn’t—maybe some indication of the value of strained defenses of the fascist idea of copyright in the name of “liberty”).

His reply:

Please do not call me.

Um. As if I had offered (“threatened”?) to “call him”. I offered him my tutoring.

Sorry, Gary, you sad sack. My reply to this … upstanding citizen: “Ditto.” Hey, your loss, Randroid. Your loss.

  1. See“There are No Good Arguments for Intellectual Property.”   []
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Sanchez: Intellectual Property Is Theft

Update: see also discussion on Facebook.

Intellectual Property Is Theft

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Thursday, June 30, 2016

Dan Sanchez

Property must be distinguished from monopoly. They are often conflated because they both involve exclusive rights. But they are importantly different. Property is an exclusive right to use a particular means. Monopoly is the exclusive right to use any means in a certain way.

Property is the exclusive right to use this boat, this paper, this trap, these speakers, this computer, this plastic, or this aluminum.

Monopoly is the exclusive right to use any boat to trade with India, to use any paper to make playing cards in 17th century England, to use any trap to catch beavers in North America, to use any speakers to play “Happy Birthday,” to use any computer to deliver a podcast or download “Happy Birthday,” to use any plastic and aluminum to build a certain kind of washing machine.

Since it is an exclusive right to use any means in a certain way, intellectual “property” is not property at all, but monopoly. Intellectual “property” is therefore a misnomer, euphemistically used by state-privileged monopolists to drape their monopolies in the mantle of property.

The Innovation Argument

But doesn’t IP stimulate innovation by rewarding it? One hint that something is fundamentally wrong with the “rewarding innovation” argument for IP is that it could be used by any other monopolist. The prospect of a royal monopoly in trade with India may be said to stimulate a merchant company to open up trade with that country. Why do some economists favor IP monopolies, yet oppose mercantilist monopolies? Why stop with artistic, literary, and engineering innovators and their intellectual innovations?

Indeed, why, in the modern era, do we not offer monopolies in business models and strategies to innovators? Why shouldn’t monopolies have been granted for just-in-time manufacturing or big box retailing? Sure, it would have impeded emulation, obstructed widespread adoption of these efficacious innovations, and kept them from benefiting consumers as much as possible. But, as monopolists might argue using the same line of reasoning as IP defenders, they might have been developed a little sooner if people thought that by developing such innovations, they could get a legal lock on them, and enjoy a long stream of monopoly profits.

Also, keep in mind that the “rewarding innovation” argument has been used by the biggest monopolist of them all, which itself begets all other monopolies: the State. It is often along this line of reasoning: “I was the first to clear this land of bandits and this sea of pirates. I am the first to fully provide defense with force to this land, and therefore I should henceforth have a monopoly of force.” Read, for example, Plutarch. Didn’t Theseus, by clearing the roads of highwaymen and monsters, demonstrate why he and his heirs deserve to rule Athens?

It is true that any prospective monopoly, including IP, might stimulate or accelerate the development of a certain innovation. But for every innovation a monopoly artificially boosts, it precludes, deters, and delays several more innovations: including (1) further innovations that the monopolist would have developed if he hadn’t been able to rest on his laurels, passively collecting his royalties or patent fees; (2) innovations that other creative people would have developed if they had been free to adopt and build off of the monopolized innovation; (3) any innovations that might have built off of innovations in categories (1) and (2); (4) any innovations that might have built off of innovations in categories (1), (2), and (3); and so on. Any institution that eliminates several good things for every one good thing it induces is a bad institution.

True Property Vs. Intellectual Monopoly

Property and monopoly (including IP) are not only distinct; they are antithetical to each other. To the extent that a proprietor has the exclusive right to use his particular means any way he chooses, a would-be monopolist cannot claim ownership of such “ways” and therefore cannot have the power to veto such uses. And to the extent a monopolist has “ownership” over ways of using any means whatsoever, a would-be proprietor can never truly own a particular means. The proprietor must ever be at odds with the monopolist.

The virtue of property is that it facilitates economization (the allocation of means to competing ends, when the quantity of the means is not sufficient to pursue all potential ends) by assigning in an ideal way exclusive control over those things which must be economized. As demonstrated earlier, monopoly (which includes IP) is antithetical to property. Therefore, monopoly necessarily hinders economization. This clear fault is not offset by monopoly’s alleged stimulus to innovation, because, as demonstrated above, monopoly (which includes IP) necessarily precludes, deters, and delays far more innovations than it boosts. Therefore, IP (and any other form of monopoly) is a wholly vicious institution and should be totally abolished.

Hobbling Entrepreneurs

How does IP’s hindrance of economization manifest in a market economy? The characteristic workings of a free market economy are determined by the institution that defines it: private property. Violations of that root institution will manifest in the characteristics of the hampered market economy that results.

According to sound economic theory, private property results in market exchange, which results in market prices, which result in market profits and losses, which guide and select entrepreneurs in such a way that production is ever-adjusted toward ever-better economization of resources in light of consumer preferences. An essential part of this process is as follows.

Anywhere this side of the Garden of Eden, there are imperfections in the way resources (means) are being economized in light of humanity’s ultimate (that is, “consumptive”) needs and desires. An innovating entrepreneur, using his superior judgment, changes the use of his own resources in a way that mitigates one of these imperfections. He jumps into a breach in consumer satisfaction, and begins to fill it.

Through his consumer-pleasing innovation (adopting a better way of using his means in production), this successful entrepreneur earn profits. These profits signal other entrepreneurs to emulate the innovator. In following the innovator into the breach, they bring along with them their own resources, which are then used to contribute to the filling of it. So much the better for humanity’s ultimate needs and desires.

The emulating entrepreneurs and their resources constitute competition both for each other and for the innovator. This competition impels the entrepreneurs to strive to outdo each other in more efficiently filling the breach, whittling down profits, and resulting in an even better economization of resources (manifested in lower real consumer prices), which frees up resources to be dedicated to filling other breaches instead.

Eventually the breach is filled as profits drop toward zero. The entrepreneurs then look to the next breach in consumer satisfaction, in their career-long quest to improve their own condition by way of making the world a better place (that is, by serving the ultimate needs and desires of humanity). “Profit earned, and problem solved. Onto the next profit/problem.”

Thus we see that emulative competition is, to use the language of computer programming, an essential feature of the market, and not a bug to be stomped on by the boot of IP or any other form of monopoly. The more freedom entrepreneurs have to emulate and the less artificial protection is given to first-mover profits, the faster will resources be wheeled in to fill the breach in consumer satisfaction, and the faster will competition induce gains in efficiency. Both results mean a better-satisfied consumer and a more prosperous populace.

Profits are supposed to be ephemeral. Profits are indeed a sign that a hole in human happiness is being filled, but they are also a sign that the hole is not yet filled to the top. The faster the sign disappears, the better.

IP and other forms of monopoly are a stick in the spokes of the would-be emulators who want nothing more than the chance to improve their lot by wheeling in their resources to participate in the filling of a breach in consumer satisfaction. It provides first-movers (or first-filers at the patent office) a sheltered, artificially prolonged stream of propped-up profits at the expense of everyone else, competitor and consumer alike. The breach in consumer satisfaction is then only leisurely filled by the sheltered monopolist at the pace of a government road construction worker, and other entrepreneurs are forced to go find an inferior, second-best way of serving consumers.

With respect to the market, granting an innovator in literature, art, or engineering “ownership” over his innovation (the way he used his resources: his paper, ink, computer, paint, plastic, aluminum, etc) is functionally no different from granting such a claim to any other innovator. It is a monopoly privilege, and as demonstrated above, monopoly privileges, even when held by innovators, only hamper the workings of the market and harm human welfare.

Now, does all this matter very much? Would society be tremendously more prosperous if IP were abolished? As established above, IP is economically harmful. It is an empirical fact that IP deeply pervades the market, covering every order of production, from home entertainment, to household appliances, to the software and hardware that underlie the digital sector, to medicine, to food, to heavy manufacturing, and even to the essential spread of sound ideologies through web sites and other media. An institution that is both harmful and deeply pervasive is deeply and pervasively harmful. Undoing a deep, pervasive economic harm is the same thing as providing a great, pervasive economic benefit. Therefore, yes, society would be tremendously more prosperous if IP were abolished.

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Though I agree with much of what is mentioned, the author fails to distinguish between the differences of various types of IP. For instance, trademarks and trade secrets are altogether neglected in this discussion.

Trademarks are vital means of a company to protect its reputation. For instance, if any company could sell Coca Cola in Coca Cola cans made from their own plants, how could an informed consumer know which Coca Cola they were actually purchasing?

On the issue of Copyrights, I agree they last far too long. However, how would we ever expect someone to spend hundreds of millions of dollars producing a movie, for example, if the first person that showed the film was free to copy and disburse? How could they possibly recoup their investment? How could an author expect to be paid for a novel if the first copy was scanned and uploaded for free legal viewing over the internet? Copyrights are worthy of a short protection, but 75 years plus life of the author is far too long. Although any number would be arbitrary, I think 5 years makes a fair deal of sense.

What about trade secrets? These are not protected by law as are patents. Should Coca Cola be forced to divulge its secret recipe? Should Dow Chemical be forced to publish its manufacturing processes? Trade secrets allow for a company to maintain a competitive advantage, not monopoly, until others are able to successfully replicate their secrets, and theft of these secrets should be rightly punished. Theft meaning breach of that company’s security, willful violation of contracts with that company, or violence against that company to secure the data, not 3rd party independent duplication.

While I agree that our current IP laws go much too far and patents are the most egregious, we do need Trademarks, Copyrights and Trade Secrets, but we need common-sense laws prevent their abuse as well.

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    Literary copyrights aren’t too long. After all, a writer generally has only that property, or primarily that property, to bequeath, and it is income-producing property. So that’s fine.

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    Trademarks aren’t a matter of intellectual property but of honesty. If I create a company called “Adobe” and start selling my own software under that name, even using an identical logo to the well-known Adobe, then I’m simply a liar.

    Trade secrets should be protected by contracts. If an employee or contractor shares the secret against their Non-Disclosure Agreement, then the problem is breach of contract, not the mere fact that information is now more available.

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      By that argument, property itself is a matter of honesty, which I’m fine with.

      If I sold your house to a third party without your consent, that would be fraud to the “buyer” specifically because I don’t have the right to sell your house. Only you do. You have that “monopoly” right over your house. That’s how any form of “property” works.

      The same applies to copyright and trademark, both of which are firms of legitimate property.

      Furthermore, copyright is easily justified on right-to-contract grounds. Even the anarchist economist Rothbard agreed to that.

      You have every right to sell a book with the contractual stipulation that buyers are not allowed to copy and distribute it. If they do, you may hold them liable.

      If, like most people do, you believe that government is a justified and desirable institution in small doses, then it stands to reason that they would have a role in protecting those legitimate property rights, just like all others. But even if you don’t, the case in favor of copyright, trademark and trade secrets are clear.

      Patent is a little harder to justify in purely libertarian grounds, though there are sound practical and economic arguments in favor of it, and it’s reasonable to argue that there may be some benefits to it that outweigh the costs. I’m on the fence about that one myself.

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      “Property is the exclusive right to use this boat, this paper, this trap, these speakers, this computer, this plastic, or this aluminum.”

      Correct. However intellectual property is no different–it’s the exclusive right to use this specific idea that one has created, this process discovered or developed at great pains and expense, etc.

      This is no different than the ownership of a particular boat giving the owner a ” monopoly” over the uses and disposition of that particular boat.

      It does not come at the expense of the rest of society, which is free to invent their own boat, or process, or drug, using their own ingenuity and resources. But it does spur innovation, in the same way and for the same reason that property rights encourage people to work and build things generally.

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        Correct! With one minor clarification:

        One cannot copyright an “idea”, only a unique act of creative expression of that idea.

        The underlying “idea” itself is free for others to use and base their own unique works of creative expression on.

        The commons of unique creative works is not depleted by you claiming copyright because specific creative acts of expression are both unique and infinite.

        Admittedly, it’s harder to make that case for patent. But there may be a reasonable economic case for limited-time patents regardless–though that one is significantly harder to argue on libertarian grounds.

        But suffice it to say, the case for copyright is VERY strong, even from a libertarian perspective. The same goes for trademark.

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          I was in fact making the case for patents; the case for other creative works has already been made here by you and the other commenters. If you spend your time thinking up an idea, that idea belongs to you–you invented it, invested your time and genius into it.

          But ideas are easily copied and spread, even more easily than books and movies! Why would someone–anyone–spend years to solve an inventive problem if other people could immediately take and use the fruits of that inventive genius?

          So, to encourage people to invest time into ideas and then share them with society, we offer patents as a means to protect the individual’s investment for a time, when there are practical, valuable uses of those ideas. This protection encourages individuals to invent things and share them with society, benefiting society as a whole.

          I’ve gotten patents. I also have ideas for inventions I believe would benefit society, but which I’ve kept to myself. Easier and safer to stay on the sidelines, rather than undergo the pains and expense of patenting, or endure the virtual certainty of copycats getting my years of work for free if the work is not patented. But is this best for America? Probably not.

          I agree with the comments that patents ought not be issued so lightly, as granting monopolies over trivial, easily-arrived-at inventions can act to impede technical progress and innovation.

          Not terribly long ago, the patent process was geared to spur independent innovation. If there were a bona fide invention, the patent examiner would assist an ordinary inventor in drafting the application! Fees were nominal, even waived. Today, getting a patent is tedious, complicated, and expensive, making it a tool for bigger players to deny entry to the small, a reversing of the original purpose.

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          I am an intellectual property owner. I am an individual who put blood, sweat, tears and all the cash that I had in the development of my idea to turn it into a substantial thing and be awarded a utility patent to protect it. It is MY property and NO one else in the world has the right to use the idea I developed without my permission, which I might give under the right circumstances. What is wrong with this system? Nothing at all! If you are of the mindset that intellectual property is inherently the property of all mankind then you are absolutely wrong and I will fight you until my dying breath for the right to intellectual property rights. I challenge you to do this. come up with an original idea, by the way it’s much harder than it sounds. Develop it until it is actually something usable and desirable. Do a little market research to prove your concept to validate your design and ergonomics. Develop manufacturing techniques or find someone that can do it for you without taking your idea from you. Develop packaging and some sort of marketing stream. Borrow yourself into the poorhouse to produce your intellectual property so you can sell it. Now imagine this, Someone that you trusted, some lawyer, some eavesdropper, some fair-weather friend, SOMEONE has taken your idea and beat you to market! Oh, but you were right! The product was a big hit, but for someone else. You mortgaged your life for your dream and someone stole it. I ask you is this fair? Should there have been some sort of legal protection for you and your intellectual property? Shouldn’t you have a legal recourse if someone steals your intellectual property? Of course! It’s exactly the same as if you built a house, can anyone else just move in and live there, or rent it out? We have a system in this country for establishing and protecting intellectual property rights.If you EVER were to develop some of your own, you might understand why those laws are in place.

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            But if a large corporation were to steal your ideas, they could bankrupt you in an IP court case. This is one flaw of the existent system.

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              It would be easy to make them pay your court costs

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                If the cost of defending your patent exceeds your net worth, you lose (you might consider insurance for this sort of thing). If a patent troll decided you had infringed one of their stash of hidden patents, they could sue you, again, for more than you are worth.
                Serious patent abusers tend to select favourable states and judges for their benefit. The system is rigged for the big players.

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                  Good points Diogenes, but couldn’t IP insurance address many of those issues? Sounds like a potentially worthwhile market, waiting to be tapped…

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                  OK, there are so many problems here, I can’t even understand this argument! I happen to have 2 Master’s degrees and one is in Economics, so I don’t think I’m too dimwitted.
                  Anyway, Mr. Sanchez is saying our Founding Fathers were WRONG when they wrote the Constitution and shouldn’t have included IP in Article 1, Section 8? I am not a historian, but hasn’t the US been quite the innovator over the past 227 years relative to other countries? Empirical evidence, hegemony and our enormous GDP and GDP per capita would say yes. Now, I know that might be correlation, not causation, but perhaps, just perhaps, the Founders put protection of IP into the Constitution for a reason? Maybe that was one more thing Britain was doing wrong?
                  My point here is that Mr. Sanchez dismisses the innovation argument far to quickly, and the fact that the brightest people in the world thoughtfully included IP in our Constitution for a reason and they were all about free markets. Perhaps since information can travel so much faster now, the years it lasts should be reduced? That would seem appropriate. But when I think about the pharmaceutical companies putting in millions or hundreds of million in R & D so that they can get a return IF that that drug works, and some people want to get rid of this ‘monopoly’ protection – those drugs WILL NOT be produced. Incentives to produce are taken away. Even an inventive to get your own monopoly is far stronger than not having any guarantees at all or no incentive that you will get to keep what you create. With Mr. Sanchez’ idea, we will return to a Hobbesian existence, ‘nasty, brutish, and short’.

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                    Actually, IMHO, the Founding Fathers were indeed wrong in writing and adopting the Constitution. We would be far better off today if they had stuck with the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution was unquestionably a power grab and wrong for that reason alone. See Lysander Spooner’s http://www.freedom-school.c…

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                      Oh, then perhaps you would be interested in moving to a country that uses a confederation for their government? Oh, wait, there aren’t any! Why? Because as a governmental structure it really can’t work for any length of time. The Declaration of Independence was NOT a form of government and did not serve in that purpose whatsoever. The Founders did NOT adopt the Constitution, that was done by the state legislatures. So they wanted the Founders to do a power grab? I can’t believe you are hanging your hat on someone who is so bipolar as to wish for a confederation but to be opposed to slavery. Leaving the state’s with as many rights as possible, like they did under the Articles of Confederation, is what has lead to such different treatment under the local laws of different people. (like slavery, death penalties, cost of state university, quality of highways, value of welfare checks and so on)

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                        Not interested in moving. I’m staying here and will try to improve America, primarily by trying to reduce to the greatest possible extent the use of violence in the conduct of our human affairs–beginning with me. I am hoping that those who won’t reject the use of force will remove themselves from my homeland and make it a better, more peaceful, nonviolent place for all people of good will to live.

                        i am well aware of the two points you make with your shouted “NOTs.” I omitted making that clear on the assumption– obviously erroneous– that readers would recognize the ellipsis. Your reference to the Founders elicited my reference to the Founders. My bad, for not making myself clear on those two picayune points.

                        Susan, you say:” Leaving the state’s with as many rights as possible, like they did under the Articles of Confederation, is what has lead to such different treatment under the local laws of different people….” Leaving aside some semantic difficulties I see, and leaving aside the fact that I believe only individuals–not states–have “rights,” and omitting the fact that I think the rule of law is an abomination, what is wrong with such diversity? The Constitution you admire endorsed slavery across all of the states until it was eliminated by some. And that one error by its authors and adopters led to the Civil War and its violent aftermath of Reconstruction and Jim Crow, which altogether constituted by far the greatest disaster the people of America ever suffered.

                        Your bipolar comment implies that one cannot logically be opposed to a constitution that endorses slavery and be opposed to slavery. If that was your intent, it is a contortion of logic that makes bipolar sound rational by comparison. The Federal government under the Constitution was responsible for slavery in America AND for the Civil War. Indeed, Lincoln emancipated only slavery in the rebel states, and only as a military expedient. Diversity in state laws, absent the wet blanket of the federal constitution would have undoubtedly stimulated competition between the state to provide their citizens with better laws and government, and could conceivable have led to the abolition of slavery in all of the states at an early date.

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                        Oh, good grief. With all due respect, Mr. Sanchez, I’ve never read anything more fatuous at FEE. Or anywhere else. Maybe the fact that I’m a professional writer makes me more acutely aware of the need for the protection of intellectual property–which does fit your own definition of property, by the way–but even so this is really an astonishingly — well, bad piece.

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                        This piece is licensed under a Creative Commons license. Even Larry Lessig himself agrees that CC licensing is a form of intellectual property, albeit very permissive. So FEE uses the IP system for its content.

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                          The problem with saying FEE uses the IP system for its content is that it ignores that copyright is forced on us all, whether we want it or not, as soon as our words take physical form.

                          Thus, the need of a CC license to neutralize IP.

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                          Admittedly copyleft was introduced to prevent trolls from claiming ownership of your work and levying a fee for it’s usage.

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                            And so, the logic advanced by the developers of Creative Commons clearly limplies that they believe that copyright claims are actually morally justified.

                            They just have other sources of income (like sucking up taxpayer-subsidized education dollars with sky-high tuitions) so they’re happy to give away the property rights that don’t concern them (monetization) and keep the ones that do.

                            Lessing and folks like him don’t make a strong moral case against copyright in the least, as evidenced by their belief if exclusive authorship. Rather, they make a predictable emotional case against “business” and “commerce” and “profit” that is so common among today’s corrupt academics.

                            They’re not against copyright. They’re against property rights in general (other than their own) and against “profit” in general (again, other than their own.)

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                            While I agree that in the long run IP stifles innovation, I have a question about the short term benefits of IP protections.

                            If I as an innovator do not have the capital to take advantage of my innovation how am I to profit from it? If my idea is not protected until I can raise capital and establish production, how do I profit before someone else with greater capital takes advantage of my innovation for their own profit?

                            If every Tom, Dick and Mary innovating in their garage can simply have their ideas copied and produced by DuPont, Westinghouse and Google without compensation, what incentives do Tom, Dick and Mary have to innovate?

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                              That would be a good argument in the absence of non-disclosure agreements and venture capitalists. There can be legal protections in seeking investment to launch your product. If it’s a good product, someone will take notice and help you launch it.

                              Of course an idea is only a small part of the successful product. There is so much more that goes into developing that idea, manufacturing it, marketing it, distributing it, etc. It is entirely possible that you will only find investors that don’t believe you have the business sense to bring the product to fruition alone and they may insist on control, but you are still compensated based on what you bring to the table and still have incentive to innovate.

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                              A better analogy would be if I invest $5 Million in developing an Apartment Building only to have squatters come and live in it for free or worse, rent out my building to other people to enrich themselves, when they invested nothing in the property.

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                                You can always put a fence and a gate around that apartment building, and hire armed guards to keep people out.

                                How do you keep people from duplicating your idea? Particularly when it’s literally possible for someone thousands of miles away, thinking about the same problem that you might have, to come up with the exact same solution?

                                This is the reason why IP is evil: it assumes that ideas are unique and scarce, when they are just the opposite.

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                                  Developing drugs is not free. Tell me how someone thousands of miles away will develop the same drug without billions in investment dollars?

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                                    Easy. Drugs are natural compounds, and as such, are subject to independent discovery. The FDA may have some sort of registry to prevent simultaneous research, but what’s to stop another company in a different country from researching the same thing?

                                    Part of the reason it costs billions of dollars to develop drugs, is that the FDA demands it. No one seems willing to investigate whether what the FDA does really makes us safer, or whether it merely shifts the deaths to the people waiting for a given drug, which generates less headlines than “FDA approves drug that kills people.”

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                                    You wouldn’t have invested money into an apartment in the first place. The problem with IP is that it creates incentives where there should be none, and it takes away incentives where they would’ve been.

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                                    Hey you can’t have a “monopoly” over that building maaaaaan.

                                    /sarcasm

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                                    Morally, a creation belongs to the creator because he made it. All other issues and concepts are important and many implementations of specific IP laws are imperfect, but no amount of appeals to scarcity, utilitarianism, or strawmen can refute that creations have creators.

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                                      Yes, when someone comes up with an original thought, they created it, but It’s not theft if they tell me that thought, because the thought in their mind has not left their mind, but has manifested itself in my mind. Therefore I am the creator of the though which exists in my mind. I own my brain, And I own the materials necessary to make the contents of the thought into an object, both my brain and the materials I own, so I can do whatever I would like to with this object because other people do not own my object and they do not own the thoughts in my mind, I do.

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                                      When I submit my written work to a company for potential production, what prevents them from just taking it and giving me no credit or payment? If there is no legal concept of intellectual property, then any novel, invention, screenplay could be stolen from the author without any recourse whatsoever.

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                                        Most engineers have contracts that stipulate salary and benefits, and they generally take credit into account when trying to determine who should be promoted. Such contracts also stipulate that engineers can’t share their ideas, and any ideas they develop in their own free time are often considered company property.

                                        Oddly enough, California has declared non-compete and non-disclosure agreements unenforceable. Sadly, as a result, California doesn’t have any tech industry whatsoever, and hasn’t had any for decades. Well, besides what’s going on in Silicon Valley, at least….

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                                        Plain and simple the author is a thief

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                                        Dan Sanchez, you are referring to the statist concept of IP, which should be a fairly easy target for any libertarian. Without the state, there would be no intellectual property as we know it. However, there would be means of protecting innovators’ ideas as developed by the free market, perhaps by contracts or other nonviolent means.. Innovator’s ideas are as much property as your home, and affording them protection through free-market means will prove a blessing not a hindrance to human prosperity.There is a wealth of good information on this subject over at Carl Watner’s http://voluntaryist.com/ website. Richard Boren’s article “For Intellectual Property, which does a good job of refuting Stephan Kinsella’s arguments in his monograph “Against Intellectual Property.” Carl also wrote a fine article on the history of IP. Here are some links, which should be required reading for those engaging in the debate.

                                        http://voluntaryist.com/pro…
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                                        ntaryist.com/property/watne…
                                        http://voluntaryist.com/pro…

                                        More links on the subject, including the views of Andrew Galambos, Lysander Spooner as well as to Kinsella’s monograph are here:http://voluntaryist.com/pro…

                                        My own view on the matter is that abolishing IP makes extremely good sense if it is achieved by abolishing the state. If you abolish IP but keep the state you’ll have a lot more problems than those caused by statist IP. Your article addresses treating a symptom. Fogettaboutit and go after the cause.

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                                        The author may be substantially right about patents in some technology areas, but I’d say that in other tech fields, not so much. There are many tens of thousands of patents related to magnetic disk drives. That’s because typically what is receiving patent protection is not an entire disk drive, but merely one very specific part of the drive. The first guy to come up with the idea of a magnetic head accessing areas on a rotating magnetic medium did not then sit back and collect profit from everyone for 17years, because within weeks/months there were many other patent applications filled and then granted on ways to improve some aspect of the disk drive, whether in its manufacture or operation or whatever. And hundreds more then improved upon those improvements, and then thousands more, etc. In order for those other companies to get into the market and stay alive in the market, they needed to find a novel and nonobvious way to make or use at least part of the drive–and for that to generate the necessary profits, this new aspect needed to be an ecomonic improvement as well. Thus, the patent system in fact created disincentive to just sit back and make drives that were merely “good enough” and served the public good by fostering technological progress at the same time that it protected the individual inventor.

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                                        Like so many of his ilk, Mr. Sanchez makes exactly zero effort to distinguish between copyrights and patents. Patents turn a doodle on a napkin into a means of blocking others who independently arrive at the same idea. Copyright protects only a specific implementation of an idea, not the idea itself. Thus, I can write a spreadsheet program, and Mr. Sanchez, while copyright prohibits him from selling my program and pocketing the money, is perfectly free to write a competing spreadsheet program containing all the features mine has, and to pocket every dollar he makes selling it.

                                        Anyone who fails to make this distinction is what I call an anti-IP hysteric. Random ranting is all they’re good for. I’d be worried if I thought there was any chance of their nonsense catching hold among more than a handful of true believers who, in their echo chambers, really think they’ve got some kind of great movement going.

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                                          You’ve got it JDL. It’s a bewilderingly common error.

                                          Copyright is extremely easy to justify in libertarian grounds, as it protects only unique works of creative expression, not “ideas”.

                                          Patents are harder to justify on purely libertarian grounds, but so long as the operate in a similar way, claiming ownership over a specific assembly design rather than over an idea, there is room for argument there.

                                          In any case, copyright and trademark are clearly both easily justified forms of property, and fully compatible with the just property claims of others.

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                                          So am I to take this article as permission to republish all of your articles with my name on them?

                                          I’ve heard this argument before but there are times when the theoretical principles don’t align with the mechanics of the real world. This happens in the art world where someone is caught passing off someone else’s artwork as their own. There is a natural socially imposed monopoly that grants rights to the creator while the “thief” is cast out of community and will probably never work in the industry again.

                                          The same would be true if you plagiarized this article. We would never hear from you again.

                                          The factor that works against your argument is that of Labor. An “idea” is free for all to mine but once your labor produces a tangible product it becomes your “property”.

                                          John Locke said it better. “Whatsoever then he removes out of the State that Nature hath provided, and left it in, he hath mixed his Labour with, and joined to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his Property. ”

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                                          “IP” is a fake classification. One cannot treat all items so classified as the same. Such General discussion is pretty meaningless.

                                          Government should be disassociated from IP, but then we must allow the market to handle each separate issue on its own merits. We cannot claim to know exactly how the free market would handle any particular issue, nor can we dictate to the market how it should do so.

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                                          Never read such a huge stupidity. This Sanchez guy is total imbecile.

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                                          I do understand the point that, in certain respects (not necessarily those cited by Sanchez), IP differs from other forms of property. And there are clearly arguments on both sides. But one thing does not really seem to be addressed and that is the practical implications. Has anyone yet answered the crucial question of why a pharmaceutical company would spend billions on research and testing if another could straightaway copy what they developed. And, if they wouldn’t are we seriously happy with the consequences?

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                                          Property rights are human rights. This includes copyright, which is extremely easy to defend, even on radically libertarian grounds.

                                          For instance, the anarchist Murray Rothbard easily defended copyright on the simple basis of right to contract.

                                          And, if you’re not an anarchist, it becomes even easier to defend as a basic and essential part of property rights–ALL of which give the rightsholder a “monopoly” of use. That’s how “property” works.

                                          Furthermore, copyright is easy to justify on both economic grounds and on the basis of compatible and equal rights.

                                          First, it is worth noting that one cannot copyright an “idea”–only a unique act of creative expression of that idea.

                                          The underlying “idea” itself is free for others to use and base their own unique works of creative expression on.

                                          This means that claiming copyright does not deplete the “commons” of creative works as they are both unique and infinite. If anything, you’re infringing on others’ potential rights *less* with copyright than with physical property rights.

                                          The case for patent is much harder to make from purely libertarian grounds, but there are reasonable economic and practical arguments in favor of it.

                                          I’m on the fence about that one. But copyright and trademark are clear and compatible human rights.

                                          To ignore them is theft, not to exercise them. To suggest otherwise seems both Marxist and illogical.

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                                          Why would a pharmaceutical company spend $100 million developing a drug, only to see it copied and sold cheaper? it eliminates the incentive to even try.

                                          Am I reading this article correctly?

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                                          This is delusional… What drug company in their right might would invest $1 Billion in finding a successful drug (not to mention all the unsuccessful drugs that don’t make it to market) only to have some other company knock it off and sell it for pennies a pill?

                                          Same goes with films and TV shows. Who would spend $200 Million producing the next Dark Knight, only to have some pirate sell copies of it on DVD in their story for a few bucks?

                                          It’s ignorant of basic finance and investment.

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                                          Patents are supposed to straddle the fine line between rent-seeking monopolistic behaviour and the encouraging the dissemination of innovative ideas to the public sphere. That is why a patent is a time-limited monopoly award.
                                          The patent system, and in particular the US patent system has been systematically abused ever since Ely Whitney demonstrated the Cotton Gin to Thomas Jefferson on the White House lawn. Since the concepts introduced by David Teece in the 80s, US patents have lost sight of their original purpose.
                                          The article above neglects to mention that the patent is awarded so that IP eventually benefits the public domain.

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                                          Do you guys just write stuff to annoy people?
                                          Abolish IP? Come on.
                                          OK, abolish IP and tomorrow I am going to sell a product called Microsoft Office. I’m going to start a baseball team called the NY Yankees and sell tickets to games. I am going to start a band called the Beatles and sell a cd called Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.
                                          And, while you are at it why not abolish national borders? Oh yeah, I guess Obama already has done that.

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                                          These tired old arguments have been thoroughly refuted HERE:

                                          https://strangerousthoughts…

                                          The horse is quite dead. I recommend you cease beating it.

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                                          Is this type of nonsense Mr. Sanchez’s intellectual property. If so, WHY is he sharing it with us gratis?

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                                          There’s a lot more discussion of this over at FB – https://www.facebook.com/fe…

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                                            Nothing over on FB reaches the heart of the matter, which is the question whether or not ideas are property. Kinsella’s monograph “Against Intellectual Property” argues that ideas are not property and then draws many erroneous conclusions from that false premise. Richard Boren responded to Kinsella’s argument in an article published at http://voluntaryist.com/ entitled “For Intellectual Property, The Property Ideas of Andrew J. Galambros.” Boren’s title in my opinion is unfortunate, for it isn’t a defense of statist IP, but rather it is a refutation of Kinsellla’s false premise that ideas are not property and the erroneous conclusions he draws therefrom. Evidently Boren chose his title in order to contrast the lucid property ideas of Galambos against those of Kinsella as set forth in Kinsella’s monograph. By no means does Boren or Galambos defend the statist concept of IP. Intellectual Property as we know it according to the laws of the federal government would not, could not, exist in the absence of the violent, coercive state, an end embraced by Galambos and Boren. Suggesting that those who dispute Kinsella’s false premise that ideas are not property are thus in favor of statist IP is as dishonest as claiming that without the violent state all would be chaos and violence. Boren’s article and Galambos’ ideas are a healthy antidote for Kinsella’s brand of snake oil. Boren’s article is available at the voluntaryist.com website. Enter “IP” in the search engine, or just google the title and author.

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                                            Why bother discussing it further, when you never addressed the refutations of your logical fallacies HERE?: https://strangerousthoughts…

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                                            LAME. Start with stacked definitions, to support a strawman fallacy n irrational conclusion. Ownership means using your own property any way you choose. Oooops, I can’t use my IP in two different mediums. So I don’t own it because of a straw man? One can reasonably argue the length of copyrights, but only in the context that the owner has had sufficient use of the time. Not that ownership doesn’t exist. Obviously, that could lead to many different lengths based on what the IP is. Wish to argue the term “property?” Also fine.

                                            Butt here’s where the monopoly hysteria falls apart.

                                             

                                            euphemistically used by state-privileged monopolists to drape their monopolies in the mantle of property.

                                            Sanchez owns copyrights to this column. Thus, he’s a state-privileged monopoly? If he was a more prominent author, in more prominent publication, I could steal his work, publish it first and own the profits of first use. I could pay a percentage of my ill-gotten gain to the publisher’s employee who stole it for me, to get the payment. (That example deals solely with his claim to be a state-privileged monopolist)

                                            Ah, but he could decline first-publication rights. Um, that would be his decision, like me donating my car to charity. Then again, it’s far from original for some libertarians to deny IP. It’s been done, by some, for several years now. Orwellian.

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                                            Rubbish.

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                                            You skimmed over the distinction between property and monopoly and missed the entire point of IP: There are distinctive boats, pencils, chemicals, artwork that are unique by virtue of their special design and form as sculpted by their creators. If someone invents a special sailboat with unique characteristics and innovations, he has a strong claim to exclusive ownership and exploitation and transmission/production of that sailboat type. Perhaps there are distinctions where IP is not always exclusive; but clearly arguments can be made that IP legitimately covers reproduction, transmission and similar continuous ownership.

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                                            You sound exactly like a socialist, or a would-be Marxist — everything is for the greater good. Sounds great to poverty stricken people who may also be lacking in experience., but never works out. Conversely, it always destroys individual incentive.

                                            The purpose of a business is to get and keep customers, and make a profit for the owners. And that is all. The business that has been created and financed by its owners owes nobody anything. Yet there is a strangely reasoned idea that business are for creating jobs. So we hear people say their job was shipped overseas. It was not their job, it was a need in a business that was filled by an employee. It was the business’s job.

                                            Somewhere along the line, the concept of individualism,and striving for one’s own achievement was lost to those who produce nothing and yet believe they are entitled to share with the producers. These kinds of people are rightly called “takers” and they are the bane of any society and economy. Politicians use these people to get elected and to stay elected in the corruption of government.

                                            Your simple thesis is why communism and socialism and its cousin, fascism, have always failed. Always. The reason is because there is no incentive to invest huge amounts of time and money into an enterprise that is not actually “owned” by the investor, but has been created for the greater good of the people.

                                            You seem to have no understanding of the human element as it interacts with the world. I suggest you read Ayn Rand.

                                            I’m very surprised to find this sort of thinking in an article published by FEE. In fact, I question their objectives and their purpose.

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                                              Yeah, I was thinking Wesley Mouch through that whole fatuous piece, myself.

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                                              Very interesting argument. I tend to favor anti-IP arguments, however this article inspired a thought: perhaps a patent system is a way of diffusing the corruption of monopoly creation. Places around the world with less strict IP tend to also have more state monopolies, though this isn’t necessarily causal. Imagine a system without IP, but with a state… monopoly granting privileges would be even more consolidated, more… monopolous.

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                                                Why In Deed?The writer very deliberately confuses invention with innovation. If one first assumes rights are a convention of agreement by most all folks, and most all do not have a state enforcing such opinions but act in favoritism or boycott in recognition of rights, then you can have an alternative to patent monopoly AND the authors institutionalizd copycat open season on inventors motivation to make money by thinking differently in un-obvious ways that no one else before them did. In answering the author and mostly agreeing with prior communication innovators or commenters, I have a libertarian alternative that was once practiced in thatched roof merchant adventurers halls and in a few rooms in the back called chambers of commerce. An adventurer was a venture capitalist who believed in the advent of a new age (and new world = America) where every man or woman was a king or queen. They evolved in response to state slavery and contractual indentured servitude, a specific charging method that eliminated both within 30 years among 100 development free charter companies in New England and New France. How?
                                                They held court on who invented something, and then who innovated on that invention worthy of an incremental percentage of a free market recognized patent. 97% for inventor, 3% for innovator. Another innovator would be adjudged another 5% based on his argument both in the title company court and in the marketplace that caused the offense if objected to. The merchant-adventurer halls did the same with copywrites and trademarks. Answering: Who told a better story; or Whose blue cow versus purple cow tavern sign stole the reputation of another place at the other end of town.
                                                When the merchants or venture capitalists as spectators or often jurors of peers noticed the same problem or argument coming up repeatedly, they went into the chambers of commerce (rooms) to discuss the chronic issue in concept instead of with the particular case being heard in open title court.
                                                For instance, they had prejudices favoring the Anglican Church, and noticed problems with merchants having odd religious beliefs like Quakers or Separatists…so they came up with a system of Human Investments (HI) to get rid of them to the New Wirld since they didn’t like their innovations protesting Anglican Protestantism. They retained the indented two copies of a contract, but changed it from 100% labor obligation to another for 7 years by monetarizing it and having the potential exile be a Freeman that could own property in their own Freedominium (ability to own your own body as distinct from Dominion where somebody else owned your body). The expensive passage across the Atlantic, tools to farm or do a craft, and a grubstake for a year so they didn’t starve. The court disputes that had rich vs poor each pay a percentage-of-income to the judge who could then having already been paid by the aggrieved parties could be impartial, was carried over into lawyers at the bar, and emigrants. The greatest wave of voluntary immigration began for 125 years until the American Revolution ran out the contracts. However, by that time competition in Percentage As You Earn (%AYE) finance of immigration reached 7% of your income for 3 years rePAYEment.
                                                This continued in various odd ways as the new US Constitution tried to emulate the free market procedures in patent law and even a Supreme Court was an afterthought because justice and incremental award decisions were common. The world today could use Title Company and %AYE FINANSURANCE to offer medical care for all in the free market, denationalize mortgages from installment payment illogic on long term contracts, and provide invention and innovation adjudication in capitalist courts. For more info PhoneVoterTVexec@gmail.com

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                                                bullshit!

                                                it’s the same kind of nonsense argument as the communist with their we-do-the-work-so-we-should-own-the-factory nonsense … it’s just an excuse to steal

                                                it’s not because the government involvement leads often to monopolies that the concept of IP itself is wrong

                                                the government is the problem, not IP

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                                                I’m thinking the author has never poured every penny he can beg or borrow into the development of a new product and then watch a larger, well-heeled competitor start marketing a competing product before he has a chance to recoup his investment.

                                                That said, process patents, particularly as they apply to software development, are somewhat out of control.

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IP in a World Without Scarcity

See this interesting thesis by Mark Lemley, “IP in a World Without Scarcity” (abstract below).

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In a recent Cato Podcast, Trademarks and Derby-Pie®, host Caleb Brown interviews Walter Olson about trademark law, with reference to a recent controversy where the Kentucky Derby was threatening restaurants from selling a “Derby Pie” (see NPR, What’s Inside A ‘Derby Pie’? Maybe A Lawsuit Waiting To Happen), and similar absurd situations such as the NFL using trademark law to coerce companies not to use the term “Super Bowl.”

Unlike many other libertarian groups, which are willing to condemn intellectual property as unlibertarian or at least feature thinkers who argue against IP, Cato routinely hosts panels, speeches, and publications that promote IP and rarely, if ever, features the anti-IP position,1 which is ironic given that former Cato scholar Tom Palmer was one of the early libertarian IP abolitionists.2

I was hoping this short podcast would condemn trademark law in general, as I have done,3 or at least condemn these uses of trademark as clear examples of abuse and injustice and as obviously incompatible with libertarian principles, as I have also done.4 But Olson nowhere clearly does either. Instead, he insinuates trademark law is an ostensible sensible policy (it’s not), and tries to explain some basic aspects of trademark law. Which is odd, for a libertarian institute; you would think it would make some comments about the policy aspects of IP. And not give a legal commentary on how the law works. Especially when the commentary is not especially illuminating or correct. Indeed, the comments about trademark and IP law are confused, perhaps not surprising as Olson doesn’t appear to be a trademark or IP law specialist.

First, Olson indicates that trademark holders can’t really be blamed for aggressively enforcing their trademarks (e.g. by sending out cease and desist letters to potential infringers, filing suit, etc.), since the way trademark law works, it “presses” them to be aggressive—since, if they do not enforce their trademarks, they might lose their trademark protection, for example by allowing it to become generic (as aspirin has become). However, if you hold a trademark and it becomes generic, you are still able to use it. It just means that others can too; you can’t stop them from doing so. So it makes no sense to say that you are forced by trademark law to threaten to sue people, merely to retain your right to sue them.

Second, Olson implies that it was clear to the Founders that unlike copyright, trademarks originally were limited geographically; it’s not clear why the Founders are invoked here, since they had nothing to do with trademark law. The Founders authorized Congress to enact patent and copyright law in the Constitution—but not trademark law. At the time of the ratification of the Constitution, trademark was protected in the common law by the states. Congress did not even attempt to enact the first federal trademark law until 1870. (I’d argue federal trademark law is unconstitutional precisely because there is no authorization for it; but courts rely on a broad reading of the Interstate Commerce clause to validate the law, since it purports to regulate trademarks for goods sold in interstate commerce—which is why state trademark law still exists, alongside federal trademark law.)

Third, Olson implies that copyright prevents an infringer from selling the work of someone else, “as your own.” I.e., that it merely is meant to stop some form of “plagiarism”—for example, if I were to try to sell John Grisham’s novel The Firm under my own name, as Stephan Kinsella’s The Firm, say. But copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism.5 For one, even if you accurately represent the name of the author—give credit, or attribution—copying another’s work is still copyright infringement. If I try to re-sell copies of Grisham’s The Firm under his name, you can be sure I’ll get sued. Plagiarism is irrelevant to copyright, and stopping plagiarism is not the purpose of copyright law. Stopping copying is, regardless of whether the real author’s name is used or not.

Olson characterizes trademark law as being aimed at stopping someone from confusing consumers by selling goods under the original manufacturer’s name. He indicates this is a type of “quasi-fraud.” Well either’s it’s fraudulent, or it’s not. If it is, then the guy selling fake goods to consumers is already covered by fraud law; there is no need for trademark law. It’s only redundant with fraud law. Further, in such as case, the consumer would be the one with the right to sue the knockoff provider, not the original manufacturer. But trademark law gives that right to the trademark holder, not to the allegedly defrauded consumers. Further, trademark law does not even require that a consumer be defrauded for the trademark holder to have a case against the infringer: “likelihood of confusion” is all that needs to be shown, not actual confusion (and not actual fraud or even likely fraud). So, even when the consumer is aware of the “fake” nature of the goods he is purchasing, and wants the fake goods (for example if you buy a fake Chanel purse for $20 to save money), and thus is clearly not defrauded or even confused, the trademark holder can still sue and have the knockoff items seized and destroyed, even though there are no victims of confusion or fraud, or even “quasi-fraud,” whatever that is. And finally, trademark law now doesn’t even require likelihood of confusion—in the US, the Federal Trademark Antidilution Act of 1995 “protects famous trademarks from uses that dilute their distinctiveness, even in the absence of any likelihood of confusion or competition.”

Thus, trademark law is totally unlibertarian, just as patent and copyright are—and for the same reasons that all reputation rights (defamation law, libel and slander) are illegitimate, as Rothbard long ago definitively showed.6 It would have been nice of Olson had realized and mentioned this.7

  1. See Independent Institute on The “Benefits” of Intellectual Property Protection; Richard Epstein, Challenges of Intellectual Property. The only exception I’m aware of is this talk given by Dan D’Amico. []
  2.  See The Four Historical Phases of IP Abolitionism. Although it appears Palmer’s anti-IP views softened a bit years later, at least with respect to pharmaceutical patents. See Cato vs. Public Citizen on IP and the TPPPilon on Patents (archived comments). []
  3.  Trademark versus Copyright and Patent, or: Is All IP Evil?Trademark and Fraud, also this comment . []
  4.  The Velvet Elvis and Other Trademark AbsurditiesHow to Improve Patent, Copyright, and Trademark LawThe Patent, Copyright, Trademark, and Trade Secret Horror Files []
  5. See Balancing Intellectual Property Rights and Civil Liberties: A Libertarian Perspective [Transcript]“Oh yeah? How would like it if I copy and publish your book under my name?!”: On IP Hypocrisy and Calling the Smartasses’ BluffsCommon Misconceptions about Plagiarism and Patents: A Call for an Independent Inventor Defense. []
  6. See Rothbard, Knowledge, True and False, in The Ethics of Liberty. []
  7. Trademark versus Copyright and Patent, or: Is All IP Evil?Trademark and Fraud, also this comment.   []
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Patrick Smith: Un-Intellectual Property

In this short and well-done video, libertarian and photographer Patrick Smith provides an argument against IP, explaining how he finally “saw the light” and realized that patent and copyright law are unjust and incompatible with property rights. Whereas he would previously become angry when people “took” his photographs and “used” them—especially, gasp, for profit!—he realized his arguments justifying his reaction were  just emotional and finally came to see that there can be no just “intellectual property” rights; there can be no ownership of information.1

Smith rightly observes that all owned things are “media”—i.e. scarce resources. If you own a CD with musical data on it, the data is just the impatterning of the owned media. Likewise, if you own a plot of land (dirt), the farm you build on it is just the impatterning of that media. To give someone ownership of the pattern apart from the medium is to give them partial ownership rights in others’ media (scarce resources). I’ve made similar arguments myself before, as has Roderick Long. As I’ve noted: an object may be owned, and the object may have various features, characteristics, or properties, such as its weight, color, age, size, shape, and how it’s impatterned, but ownership of the object and whatever features it has does not imply that the owner independently or separately owns the features of the object. Information is always stored on and embedded in some ownable medium. The medium may be owned (like a piece of paper or a thumb drive or a machine configured in a certain way), but the properties of the medium may not. As Roderick Long has explained,2 owning the properties of objects that you own would be ownership of a universal, which would result in ownership of parts of everyone else’s already owned physical objects. Ownership of a red balloon would imply you own its “redness,” meaning you now own everything in the universe that has that redness, for example. (I discuss this in various recent lectures and interviews, but I can’t remember which ones precisely, offhand.)3 [continue reading…]

  1.  More and more libertarians have come out against IP in recent years: “The Death Throes of Pro-IP Libertarianism,”; “The Four Historical Phases of IP Abolitionism”; “The Origins of Libertarian IP Abolitionism” . []
  2.  The Libertarian Case Against Intellectual Property Rights; see also Owning Ideas Means Owning People. []
  3. See “Against Intellectual Property After Twenty Years: Looking Back and Looking Forward”, the section “Resources, Properties, Features, and Universals“. See also A Selection of my Best Articles and Speeches on IP.  []
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[Update: See also Shughart’s Defense of IP (Jan. 29, 2010); Disinvited From Cato; Cato on IP; James Stern: Is Intellectual Property Actually Property? [Federalist Society No. 86 LECTURE]; More defenses of IP by the Federalist Society. See also Kinsella, “Against Intellectual Property After Twenty Years: Looking Back and Looking Forward,” n.86 and Adam Mossoff, “The Patent System: America’s Innovation Engine,” Heritage Foundation Report (Jan. 23, 2025), and other pro-IP pieces at the Heritage Foundation from Mossoff and others here; and the pro-IP Acton Institute, Sabhlok and Rogan on Intellectual Property. IP Law and “Market Failure”; Intellectual Property Advocates Hate Competition ]

As an increasing number of libertarians nowadays are aware or sense, intellectual property is utterly incompatible with private property rights and libertarian principles.1 In fact, it is one of the most insidious and harmful of statist policies.2 Ever since the advent of the Internet, which has magnified the costs of IP and made them more apparent, causing libertarians to turn their attention thereto, more and more libertarians are coming to oppose IP. Virtually all anarchist-libertarians, left-libertarians, and Austrian libertarians, and a growing number of minarchists, oppose IP, and in increasing numbers.3

Yet there remain stubborn holdouts: primarily Randians, older generation minarchists, novelists and other authors who think their livelihood depends on copyright, and a few others financially dependent on IP who want to preserve their gravy train. Some libertarian think tanks, like the Mises Institute or FEE, are anti-IP or at least feature anti-IP writers. But other libertarian think tanks continue to cling to IP in one form or another, either defending it, or having endless panels and conferences about how to “reform” IP, but never to abolish it. For example, see the recent Cato event Intellectual Property and First Principles, featuring four panelists, two strongly in favor of IP and none calling for IP abolition (despite the fact that IP abolition pioneer Tom Palmer is a former Cato guy). The Independent Institute is another libertarian think tank that seems to never feature anti-IP writers, only defenders of IP. For example, as I’ve noted before, Independent Institute senior fellow William Shughart, in “Ideas Need Protection: Abolishing Intellectual-property Patents Would Hurt Innovation: A Middle Ground Is Needed” (archive), has embarrassingly argued:

Granting a temporary monopoly to the rare breakthrough is necessary, therefore, to provide its inventor with an opportunity to earn a return on the investment that led to the new idea – and to encourage additional such investments. Such protection is especially important in the pharmaceutical industry, where, in its absence, new drugs could be duplicated by competitors, and the incentive to invest would disappear, stifling the discovery process.

To paraphrase the late economist Joan Robinson, patents and copyrights slow down the diffusion of new ideas for a reason: to ensure there will be more new ideas to diffuse.

And in the Winter 2015 issue of the Institute’s journal, Independent Review, we have a pro-patent article, Seeking the Patent Truth: Patents Can Provide Justice and Funding for Inventorsby Arthur M. Diamond Jr.4

See also Lessig, “Cato’$ Late$t” (criticizing the pro-IP views of Adam Thierer in Howard Dean’s Plan for the Internet: Collectivism In, Property Rights Out; see mention of Lessig’s comments in  Julian Sanchez, Tech Throwdown, and my post Cato, Lessig, and Intellectual Property), where he says “Of course I’m all for more balance in ‘intellectual property.'” Not a good look, Lessig.

And now we have yet another pro-IP piece from the Independent Institute, “The Benefits of Intellectual Property Protection,” b

If there is one thing about which libertarians are never likely to agree, it is whether intellectual property—patents, copyrights, trademarks, and trade secrets—should receive the same legal protection as physical property.

This is simply a false assertion. As noted above, libertarians are now predominately anti-IP and more and more of us move in this direction. This in fact seems to be one issue that we are in fact likely to agree on, unlike, say, abortion or minarchy. In my own libertarian lifetime I can hardly recall seeing such progress on a previously murky or contested issue.

Without wading too deep into the philosophical debate, but showing my colors as an IP advocate, let me share some new research published by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Global Intellectual Property Center (GIPC) on the benefits of legal protection of intellectual property.

In just one sentence, there are least three things to comment on. First: how can one comment on a supposedly contested libertarian normative issue, while explicitly refraining from engaging in “the philosophical debate”? Sounds like trying to have one’s cake and eat it too—or an abdication of responsibility. One should not weigh in on such an important issue, taking a normative position, without taking or having an argument for a normative or philosophical stance. Second, the author admits he is an IP advocate—though he doesn’t say why (perhaps because of his connections to medical/pharmaceutical industries, which are typically strongly anti-competition, I mean, pro-patent). One can only imagine he thinks his bread is buttered somehow by the IP system. That may be well and good, but it is not an argument. I’m an IP lawyer but I oppose IP, so it is possible to have some integrity. Third: he just launches into “research” as if this is how this issue is to be decided. Not everyone is a utilitarian or empiricist, nor do all of us trust data from advocacy  groups.

Graham then launches into a discussion of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s “research.” This reminds a bit of the utterly bogus US Commerce Department report “Showing Intellectual Property-Intensive Industries Contribute $5 Trillion, 40 Million Jobs to US Economy”.5 This argument, of course, makes the mistake of equating correlation with causation, just as similar arguments for IP do, such as: Postwar Japan prospered because it had a patent system; countries with the most IP are the most prosperous; America’s prosperity and growth since its inception is due to its patent and copyright systems.

Regarding the U.S. Chamber of Commerce study, Graham says:

Published on February 10, Infinite Possibilities ranks 38 countries by 30 indicators of strength of IP protection. The indicators measure both law and enforcement: Countries which do not enforce IP rights, despite the letter lf the law, are marked down. Most of the indicators are straight forward: Longer patent, copyright, or trademark terms are better; strong enforcement mechanisms are better; and treaty obligations protecting intellectual property invented in other countries are better.

The report does not attempt to determine causality between strong IP protection and social or economic outcomes. Indeed, 30 indicators are likely far too many to use for such an analysis. Nevertheless, the report does determine a number of positive correlations between strong IP protection and a number of other beneficial indicators. For example, the correlation between countries’ scores and

  • access to venture capital is 0.81;
  • number of researchers in research and development is 0.80;
  • access to the latest technologies is 0.83;
  • access to video-on-demand and streaming TV is 0.64;
  • private sector spending on research and development is 0.75;
  • share of workforce in high-value, knowledge-intensive services.

I could go on, but I am sure you get the drift. Some libertarian critics complain that IP protection is the result of innovation, not its cause; and the legal framework is a consequence of rent-seeking rather than the government’s desire to promote innovation.

This chicken-and-egg question may be beside the point: It is very difficult to envision innovation continuing at the current rate if innovative industries lose the protections for which they advocate. Infinite Possibilities shows there are no innovative and prosperous countries today that do not have strong IP protections.

One’s jaw has to drop at how bad this argument is. Graham admits that the “report does not attempt to determine causality between strong IP protection and social or economic outcomes.” But, it “does determine a number of positive correlations between strong IP protection and a number of other beneficial indicators.” In other words, he admits that the report does not attempt to show causality, that it only shows correlation. Yet then he simply asserts, “It is very difficult to envision innovation continuing at the current rate if innovative industries lose the protections for which they advocate.” Um. But this is the pro-IP premise, which is simply not supported by the study, since it does not even purport to demonstrate causation. 

As for this being a “chicken-and-egg” question: not so. As I have noted, the empiricist-utilitarian approach is unprincipled and bankrupt. But, given the available evidence, anyone who accepts utilitarianism should be opposed to patent and copyright.6

In any case, what do these weird “arguments” for IP have to do with liberty, human freedom, private property rights, and the rule of law? So what if a certain government policy might “promote innovation”? Since when was that the purpose of law, justice, and property rights? Utilitarian libertarians just launch into discussions about empirical benefits of various state policies, as if that is relevant to justice. These libertarians have lost their mooring, and their principles.

The Independent Institute should be ashamed for repeatedly promoting the evil, statist idea of intellectual property—especially in the name of liberty and free markets.

Update:  More from Shughart, Aug. 12, 2019:

Authors of textbooks (among which I count myself) are paid royalties only on sales during (roughly) the first six months after publication. Once new texts enter the used book market, all of the revenue goes to used-book dealers, including college bookstores. In consequence, authors (and publishers) have strong incentives to market revised editions (often only with cosmetic changes), or to use cheap bindings that fall apart quickly, to undercut the used-book market and collect royalties for another six months or so.

Consider, in contrast, the authors and publishers of music, which through an organization called ASCAP, earn royalty income every time a copyrighted song is played or replayed (on the radio or in live performance). If textbook authors and publishers also could benefit from resales, existing editions would remain in print for much longer and their prices would not rise as rapidly, would remain stable, or perhaps even fall over time.

Recall Ronald Coase’s conjecture that a monopolist of a perfectly durable good has no option other than to sell the good at a price equal to marginal cost.

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    It is amazing that you promote copyright and patent, from an ostensibly liberal point of view. This is horrible and confused. You are wrong about IP and about its compatibility with free markets and liberalism. Patent and copyright are utterly evil and anathema to free markets. Anyone promoting free markets, human liberty, competition, human progress, etc., should see that. Shughart, you’ve written explicitly in defense of IP law before. Shame. For shame. As you wrote: “Granting a temporary monopoly to the rare breakthrough is necessary, therefore, to provide its inventor with an opportunity to earn a return on the investment that led to the new idea – and to encourage additional such investments. Such protection is especially important in the pharmaceutical industry, where, in its absence, new drugs could be duplicated by competitors, and the incentive to invest would disappear, stifling the discovery process.

    To paraphrase the late economist Joan Robinson, patents and copyrights slow down the diffusion of new ideas for a reason: to ensure there will be more new ideas to diffuse.”

    We libertarians are NOT AGAINST the “diffusing” or spreading of “new ideas”. We oppose patent and copyright law. They are both abominations. It is sad you don’t know this, and it is also too bad the author didn’t bring in copyright law in his analysis of textbook pricing.

    https://c4sif.org/2016/02/in…

    Update: According to a friend, in a recent Russ Roberts EconTalk podcast (Oct. 2019, interview with Susan Houseman), Roberts said “I don’t care so much whether our trading partners follow free trade. I do care if they steal our intellectual property.” (01:09:38) Sigh.

    1. See Kinsella, “Intellectual Property Rights as Negative Servitudes” (June 23, 2011). []
    2. Where does IP Rank Among the Worst State Laws?”; “Masnick on the Horrible PROTECT IP Act: The Coming IPolice State”; “Copyright and the End of Internet Freedom”; “Death by Copyright-IP Fascist Police State Acronym”; “SOPA is the Symptom, Copyright is the Disease: The SOPA Wakeup Call to Abolish Copyright“. []
    3. See “The Death Throes of Pro-IP Libertarianism,” “The Four Historical Phases of IP Abolitionism”, “The Origins of Libertarian IP Abolitionism”. []
    4. Update: See also the excerpt below from Lawrence Lessig, in his article Copyright’s First Amendment, 48 UCLA Law Review 1057 (2001). It is a mystery to me why people think of Lessig as some copyright maverick. Lessig is no friend of liberty or opponent of copyright; see Tim Lee and Lawrence Lessig: “some punishment” of Swartz was “appropriate”. And here he is praising a famous pro-copyright piece by Melville B. Nimmer, “Does Copyright Abridge the First Amendment Guarantees of Free Speech and Press,” 17 UCLA L. Rev. 1180 (1969-1970). Lessig gushes, “There are few essays in the field of legal science that have had as profound an impact on the law as this-not just among academics, but among courts as well.” Well, sure, the Court adopted some of Nimmer’s argument. Bravo. But Nimmer’s argument is bereft of any principles; it’s just clever legal-positivist bullshit that tries to find clever legal tricks to “balance” the “interests” of copyright versus the opposing “interests” of free speech—by making the perverse argument that copyright actually promotes free speech. (To be clear, Copyright is Unconstitutional, and in any case, it is surely wrong and evil.) Here is Lessig paraphrasing the “brilliance” of copyright scholar Nimmer:

      There are few essays in the field of legal science that have had as profound an impact on the law as this-not just among academics, but among courts as well. And I take it that no one was surprised when the U.S. Supreme Court, just as this essay turned fifteen, embraced the central insight in Nimmer’s analysis to explain the puzzle that Nimmer set himself to solve.

      That puzzle was this: How is it that a constitution could protect “freedom of speech” from the abridgment by Congress, and yet give Congress the power to grant monopolies over speech?2 What consistency could there be between the command not to control, and the power to give authors almost a century of control? What interpretation of freedom of speech made this control make sense? What understanding of this system of control—copyright—makes this constitutional freedom possible?

      In Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. v. Nation Enterprises, the Supreme Court gave us a theory. Or better, they gave us Nimmer’s theory, now backed with the force of law. Said the Supreme Court, following Nimmer (and citing him twenty-seven times), this alleged contradiction was apparent, not real. Copyright did not abridge speech, because without copyright, a great deal of speech would not exist. Copyright, through its limited protection of authors, creates an incentive to produce speech that otherwise would not exist. It functions, as the Court said, as an “engine of free expression,”4 fueling the creation of what otherwise would not be created.

      Copyright does this, no doubt, by limiting some speech. But it limits some speech so that other speech might be created. Just as the Constitution itself limits democracy so that democracy might be more free, as Rebecca Tushnet has written, copyright limits some speech so that other speech might be produced. Thus, there is no first amendment “abridgment” when the baseline is properly set. []

    5. See USPTO, “IP Contributes $5 Trillion and 40 Million Jobs to Economy”; USPTO/Commerce Dept. Distortions: “IP Contributes $5 Trillion and 40 Million Jobs to Economy” . []
    6. Legal Scholars: Thumbs Down on Patent and Copyright”; “The Overwhelming Empirical Case Against Patent and Copyright“. []
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    A Selection of My Best Articles and Speeches on IP

    I’ve spoken and published on IP theory so much, even I have trouble figuring out which of my various presentations is the best. I still agree with my Against Intellectual Property (published originally 2001) but it has some extraneous information I would now delete, is slightly dated, and I have in the meantime tightened up the language used in the argument and found a few additional arguments. Plus it’s fairly long.

    I did a 2009 piece The Case Against IP: A Concise Guide, but it is not really a presentation of the case against IP—it’s more of a guide to the literature on this topic. And Grok does a pretty decent summary.

    In a way I think the best case against IP is encapsulated in this short post: Intellectual Property Rights as Negative Servitudes.

    And I have some longer pieces as well. Here are some suggestions (some newer material listed below):

    1. Grok summary of Kinsella on IP
    2. The Problem with Intellectual Property (2025)
    3. Intellectual Property and Libertarianism,” Mises Daily (Nov. 17, 2009). Concise case against IP.
      1. Law and Intellectual Property in a Stateless Society,” Libertarian Papers 5 (1) (2013): 1-44. More detailed.
      2. Intellectual Freedom and Learning Versus Patent and Copyright,” The Libertarian Standard, Jan. 19, 2011
        1. Based on KOL062 | “Intellectual Freedom and Learning versus Patent and Copyright” (2010)
      3. Ideas are Free: The Case Against Intellectual Property: or, How Libertarians Went Wrong
    4. Against Intellectual Property After Twenty Years: Looking Back and Looking Forward” (2023). An update of AIP.
    5. An Overview of Libertarian Property Rights and the Case Against IP [from KOL341)
      1. How To Think About Property
      2. Aggression and Property Rights Plank in the Libertarian Party Platform
    6. The Overwhelming Empirical Case Against Patent and Copyright
      1. There’s No Such Thing as a Free Patent
      2. Legal Scholars: Thumbs Down on Patent and Copyright
    7. Defamation as a Type of Intellectual Property,” in A Life in Liberty: Liber Amicorum in Honor of Hans-Hermann Hoppe, edited by Jörg Guido Hülsmann & Stephan Kinsella (Houston, Texas: Papinian Press, 2024)

    Other

    1. KOL253 | Berkeley Law Federalist Society: A Libertarian’s Case Against Intellectual Property
    2. KOL 037 | Locke’s Big Mistake: How the Labor Theory of Property Ruined Political Theory
    3. KOL364 | Soho Forum Debate vs. Richard Epstein: Patent and Copyright Law Should Be Abolished
    4. Intellectual Property and Economic Development,” Mises University 2011 (July 27, 2011) [Speech + Transcript]
    5. KOL236 | Intellectual Nonsense: Fallacious Arguments for IP (Libertopia 2012)” (Feb. 10, 2018) and “KOL237 | Intellectual Nonsense: Fallacious Arguments for IP—Part 2 (Libertopia 2012)” (Feb. 12, 2018) [Speech + Transcript]

    (all available here http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/ and https://c4sif.org/aip/)

    Among my talks—I don’t know. I have too many for me to sort out. Other than those above, here are some other recent ones:

    See also:

    And a few selected blog posts:

    Until I write a new book from scratch—tentatively titled Copy This Book—this will have to do.

    [Update: see these more recent collections of essays regarding IP:

     

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    Huemer vs. Epstein on Intellectual Property

    Interesting recent discussion/debate between minarchist Richard Epstein and anarchist libertarian Michael Huemer at Victor Niederhoffer’s “Junto” meeting in New York. Go to around 1:07:22 or so. Some guy asks a question about patent law in a free society.

    Huemer seems to oppose patent law, though in a fairly tepid and unprincipled fashion. Epstein has respectable arguments for minarchy over anarchy, but his arguments for patent law are completely hollow: his case is basically empirical and utilitarian, but he offers no empirical evidence to back up his pro-patent contentions (no one else has either, that I am aware of).

    A few minutes later, Epstein argues for a muscular US government to keep order, etc.

    Update: on a Facebook post, which I can no longer find, I had listed the top state evils:

    1. Drug War
    2. War
    3. Taxation
    4. Intellectual Property
    5. Government Education
    6. Central Banking/fed/inflation/business cycle

    and I asked the open-borders libertarians, who oppose immigration restrictions, if they think immigration restrictions are really as bad as these top 6. Huemer responded:

    Mike Huemer Yes, I think immigration restriction is a strong candidate for the worst government policy, comparable to the drug war. (And IP doesn’t belong on that list.) If you don’t see that we would say this, then you haven’t understood the open borders argument.

    There was also another FB post which had some info on it but it, too, has been deleted. Odd.

    Here’s more of the interchange from the other Facebook post:

    Immigration/libertarianism query for my open-borders libertarian friends.

    My view is that most anarchist libertarians are for open borders, though there is a sizable minority of anarcho-libertarians who maintain a dissenting view, primarily based on the ideas of Hoppe, who argues that when a modern state opens the borders it amounts to forced integration.

    I also think that most minarchists are not open-borders, since most of them support (a) a state, (b) state borders, (c) state citizenship, and thus, (d) *some* limitations or regulation of immigration. And, since most libertarians are minarchist, it’s probably safe to say the vast majority of libertarians are not pro-open-borders (though most anarchists would maintain that a *consistent* libertarian has to be open borders).

    Now here’s my question–primarily for the pro-open-borders libertarians (most of whom will be anarchist, I think).

    My view is that the primary evils the state foists on society are the following, roughly in order, from worst to least-bad (but not completely, many of these are interrelated or as bad as others):

    1. Drug War
    2. War
    3. Taxation
    4. Intellectual Property
    5. Government Education
    6. Central Banking/fed/inflation/business cycle

    [Update: you could add here also Welfare state to the list]

    These are the great evils of our time, and you can make a case that any single one of them is the paramount evil–or that, if you could only abolish ONE thing, that one should be the one.

    for example:

    drug war: it’s the most obviously evil and unjustifiable of all of these; it does tremendous, appalling human damage.

    war: kills hundreds of millions, and is the health of the state.

    Taxes: state, war could not exist without it.

    Central bank: modern warfare could not be funded without it; it’s a hidden tax, via inflation; destroys wealth via the business cycle; redistributes wealth via inflation

    IP: patents extremely damaging to innovation and wealth, copyrights threaten Internet freedom and distort and corrupt art and culture; and unlike the others, it is disguised as a form of property rights, as a part of the free market and capitalism–it is the most insidious

    government education: propagandizes each generation and turns them into docile sheeple and cannon fodder

    But, this is not my point.

    My question is: even if you think thing immigration restrictions are immoral and unjust, would you really put them anywhere on the level of these other state evils? I ask b/c I recently had a couple of leftish-libertarians I know imply that immigration controls are among the worse things the state does. They literally compared immigration restrictions with emigration restrictions–i.e. if the US limits how many Haitians or Mexicans can come into the country, this is *just as bad* as East Germany’s Berlin Wall was. I find this preposterous and cannot think of a way even an open-borders libertarian can seriously argue that immigration limitations are on the same level or magnitude of evil as the others listed above. For example, if you were given the choice to abolish one state policy, it would not be immigration: each of the other 6 listed above would obviously have a higher priority than immigration policy reform.

    Agree? Disagree? I am curious how many open-borders anarchists agree with my other two friends, or whether you would conceded that the drug war, war, taxation, etc., are far more pressing than opening the borders.

    not looking for an argument, just curious how this is viewed by libertarians, esp. open borders libertarians.

     

    In Masnick on the Horrible PROTECT IP Act: The Coming IPolice State, I noted some insane excesses of patent and copyright (like the precursor to SOPA), and wrote: I believe in days past, say, befor…

    Mike Huemer Yes, I think immigration restriction is a strong candidate for the worst government policy, comparable to the drug war. (And IP doesn’t belong on that list.) If you don’t see that we would say this, then you haven’t understood the open borders argument.

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    Monica Sophie Granger Why doesn’t IP belong on the list?

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    Oliver Westcott The open borders argument (Caplan) seems to be purely one of economic benefit, yet the argument about the burden of the increase of the welfare state seems neglected. The same as the moral burden of having to associate with people through the force of anti-discrimination laws.

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    Stephan Kinsella “If you don’t see that we would say this, then you haven’t understood the open borders argument.”

    I think this is an unnecessarily condescending way of putting it. It coudl be an honest disagreement amongst principled and even radical libertarians. I am myself open borders and an anarchist (albeit a principled, rights-based one) and I do not agree immigration belongs on the list, and i do think I “understand” the open-borders argument. Indeed, I have understood it for maybe 30 years, unlike some johnny-come-lately libertarians.

    As for the derisive comment that IP doesn’t belong on the list: i have provided reasons for my view as to why it does. Huemer does not. Perhaps Mike Huemer does not think it’s clear IP is unlibertarian, since his approach to anarchy is not rights-based–David Friedman for example is ambivalent about IP, even though he is a supposed anarcho-libertarian. I can’t recall Huemer’s approach to IP but let us just say that I totally disagree. IP clearly ranks up there with the top 5 or 6 state evils, and immigration, *even* if you accept the libertarian arguments against immigration restrictions–it’s not clear thati it belongs up htere on that list, any more than minimum wage does (as bad as it is).

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    Update: See this facebook post:

    From Michael Huemer:
    “Example 2: I start deliberately spreading false rumors that Walter Block is a Nazi. This causes him to be ostracized, lose his job, and be blacklisted by the SJW culture that is academia.
    Almost everyone, including most libertarians, agrees that Walter should be able to sue me for defamation in court, and collect damages, coercively enforced, of course.”
    Huemer seems unaware that most libertarians don’t accept defamation law. No wonder he’s also not solid on IP law. If you can’t get defamation law straight (which is a type of IP) you can’t get IP law straight.
    “Example 1: I promise to mow Ayn Rand’s lawn in exchange for her grading some of my papers. Rand grades the papers, with copious helpful comments (pointing out where students are evading reality, hating the good for being the good, etc.), but then I don’t mow the lawn. I also refuse to do anything to make amends for my failure. Haha.
    Almost everyone, including libertarians, thinks that the state can force me to mow the lawn or otherwise make amends (e.g., pay the money value of a mowed lawn).”
    Uh, no. Most libertarians do NOT think the state or legal system can force you to mow the lawn. This is specific performance, and if you can justify that you can justify voluntary slavery agreements, which most libertarians do not.
    “NAP: It is always wrong to initiate force against other people.”
    Huemer might want to take a look at the work of fellow philosophers Rasmussen and Den Uyl, who view rights as metanorms, not as normal personal norms. See Douglas B. Rasmussen & Douglas J. Den Uyl, “Why Individual Rights? Rights as Metanormative Principles,” in Norms of Liberty: A Perfectionist Basis for Non-Perfectionist Politics (Pennsylvania State University Press, 2005):
    “An individual’s right to liberty is thus not in essence a normative principle. Rather, it is a metanormative principle. In other words, it is concerned with the creation, interpretation, and justification of a political/legal context in which the possibility of the pursuit of flourishing is secured.”
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    Henry George on Intellectual Property and Copyright

    Henry George (1839–97): bad on property and rights (e.g. his nutty single-tax ideas, ably dissected by Rothbard here); and bad on IP too. He makes an artificial (and unsustainable) distinction between patent and copyright (like many political thinkers who pontificate on IP, he doesn’t seem to really understand the legal systems of patent and copyright that he feels compelled to weigh in on); he bases his critique of patent on ridiculous notions about the role of labor in the acquisition of property rights (like many thinkers, he relies on a labor theory of property, a cousin of the pernicious labor theory of value); and his defense of copyright is horrific and illiberal, as Benjamin Tucker (who also disagreed with Spooner’s similar views)1 noted.

    Rothbard himself praises George’s fallacious distinction between patent and copyright. See Man, Economy, and State and Power and Market, Scholars Edition, pp. 745-46:

    Almost all writers have bracketed patents and copyrights together. Most have considered both as grants of exclusive monopoly privilege by the State; a few have considered both as part and parcel of property right on the free market. But almost everyone has considered patents and copyrights as equivalent: the one as conferring an exclusive property right in the field of mechanical inventions, the other as conferring an exclusive right in the field of literary creations.93 Yet this bracketing of patents and copyrights is wholly fallacious; the two are completely different in relation to the free market.

    93. Henry George was a notable exception. See his excellent discussion in Progress and Poverty (New York: Modern Library, 1929), p. 411 n.

    This is ironic as Rothbard criticized George’s nutty single-tax nonsense, as noted above, including George’s confused reliance on the labor theory of property, since the distinction George draws between patent and copyright also leans on a similar confusion.

    For more, see: Classical Liberals and Anarchists on Intellectual Property.

    From Wendy McElroy: “Copyright and Patent in Benjamin Tucker’s Periodical

    The Debate Debuts: The Question of Patent

    In the July 7, 1888, issue of Liberty, Tucker critiqued an article by Henry George that had appeared in the June 23 issue of the Standard. George claimed that ownership came from production, not discovery. This led him to reject patents, describing them as ideas that manipulated the laws of nature through machinery. He wrote, “No man can justly claim ownership in natural laws, nor in any of the potentialities which nature hold for it.” To those who protested that only the machine, not the natural law, was being claimed as property, George replied that the principles upon which the machines operated were intrinsic to nature. For example, a windmill was nothing more than an expression of how the force of wind pushing against a surface could produce power. Thus, every patent reduced to an ownership claim over an expression of nature.

    George distinguished between two forms of labor that went into producing an invention. The first form was the mental labor of working out the operating principles of the machine — this was the labor of discovery. But since the principles existed in nature — e.g., how X amps of electricity reacts to Y ohms of resistance — they were available for discovery by anyone and could not be claimed by one man. The second form of labor was the actual construction of a specific machine from raw materials — this was the labor of production. Thus, the specific machine a man produced, such as a wheelbarrow, could be claimed as his property but he could not prevent another man from producing his own wheelbarrow.

    George then proceeded to distinguish between patents and copyright, and to argue that the latter was a defensible form of intellectual property. That is, he claimed that the labor of production expended on how to say something gave a man an ownership right to that arrangement of words and not merely to one specific instance of the arrangement.

    In a response that bordered on an ad hominem attack, Tucker called George “one of the most dangerous men among all of those now posing as public teachers.” It was George’s defense of copyright that elicited Tucker’s scorn. Henceforth, the topic of intellectual property would have two well-defined threads in which patent and copyright were addressed as separate issues.

    Concerning patents, Tucker agreed that the act of discovery gave a man no more right to a principle, such as electricity, than simply stepping upon a continent gave him a right to that landmass. Only the labor of production endowed ownership. And, since “the work of production is required afresh in the case of each particular thing,” no particular thing can be claimed by anyone other than the individual who manufactured it.

    Tucker then raised controversy by contending that the act of discovering the principle anew was not even required for someone to claim equal ownership to a specific machine for the simple reason that such independent invention might not be possible. For example, Tucker disputed whether any man living in civilization had the ability to independently invent the steam engine; if a man had seen this machine, he was thereby deprived of the ability to conceive it anew. That is, a man who had seen a steam engine could not be totally original in inventing one even if he honestly attempted to be so. “This being the case,” concluded Tucker, “a patent given to him [the inventor] puts the entire world at his mercy.”

    See also Wendy McElroy, “Patently Improper,” The Freeman (Sept. 27, 2011):

    Patents and copyright quickly part company. The most famous libertarian to make a sharp distinction between the two was the single-tax champion Henry George. He rejected the former and embraced the latter.

    Why? In his periodical The Standard (June 23, 1888), George explained his objection to patents, “No man can justly claim ownership in natural laws, nor in any of the potentialities which nature hold for it.” A patent involves identifying and using a law of nature or a fact of reality, neither of which have been created by the discoverer.

    Discovery versus Production?

    George distinguished between two forms of labor involved in invention. The first was the mental labor of working out operating principles: discovery. The second form was the construction of a specific machine or implementation: production.

    Since the principles discovered were preexisting – such as how X amps of electricity react to Y ohms of resistance — they  should be available for anyone to use and not monopolized by one man. To the argument that specific implementations – such as voltmeters — did not exist in nature and so could be patented, George replied that the principles on which machines operated were intrinsic in nature. A windmill expresses how the force of wind pushing against a particular surface can produce power. Thus every patent amounts to an ownership claim over an expression of nature and the logic of its application. A man could own a specific windmill he produced but he could not prevent others from similarly producing their own windmills.

    This is a common distinction between patents and copyright. Patents are an ownership claim over preexisting natural laws and their implementation; copyright is a claim to “goods” with no preexistence.

    See also Julio H. Cole, “Patents and Copyrights: Do the Benefits Exceed the Costs?”, J. Libertarian Stud. 15, no. 4 (Fall 2001): 79–105, p. 94 et seq., discussing the pro-copyright views of Rothbard and George.

    1. See Tucker on Spooner’s One Flaw. Also, on Tucker’s confused argument against IP, see Molinari on IP. See also Benjamin Tucker and the Great Nineteenth Century IP Debates in Liberty Magazine. []
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