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- On Leading by Example and the Power of Attraction (Open Source Publishing, Creative Commons, Public Domain Publishing)
@NSKinsella Thoughts about this way to bypass open source licensing or other licensing? Using old “clean room” tachnique with AI. 🤖 https://t.co/kX7yFTr6Af
— vikke (@vikke94) April 13, 2026
My response to this post: if Gemini’s AI summary of the video is right this guy is a retard–whining that we can use AI to get around open source licensing? The whole point of open-source licensing was as a response to normal restrictive use of copyright. If there was no copyright, you would need no license at all, the concept of open source would not exist, and there would also be no need for AIs to reengineer already existing code. There would no impediment to using existing code to develop new code.
The clean room approach has been around a long time as a way to prove no access and thus no copying and thus no copyright infringement liability. It’s another inefficient maneuver people have to resort to as a response to the evil and distorting existence of copyright. I’m sure the IP assholes will complain if humans use AI as one temporary reprieve from IP socialism.
Grok:
In the context of copyright law for software/code, a “clean room” (or clean-room design/technique) is a structured process used to reimplement or clone functionality from an existing program while minimizing the risk of copyright infringement claims. It leverages the legal distinction that copyright protects specific expressive elements of code (not ideas, algorithms, or functional behavior).
How It Works
The process typically involves strict separation to prove independent creation:
- One team (the “dirty” or analysis team) reverse-engineers the original software (e.g., by examining its behavior, disassembly, or public specs) and creates a detailed functional specification or documentation describing what it does, without copying any protected expressive code or structure.
- This specification is reviewed (often by a lawyer) to strip out any potentially copyrighted material, ensuring it only conveys ideas and requirements.
- A separate, isolated team (the “clean” team) — with no prior access to the original code or materials — then implements the new code solely from the sanitized specification.
This “Chinese wall” approach makes it easier to defend in court by showing that any similarities result from functional necessities rather than copying.
Purpose in Copyright Context
- It serves as a preventative defense or “pre-litigation insurance” against claims of unauthorized copying or derivative works.
- Courts have recognized it as evidence of independent creation (e.g., in cases involving microcode or BIOS compatibility, like aspects of NEC v. Intel).
- It’s commonly used when companies want to create interoperable or competing software without licensing the original (or when licenses like GPL impose unwanted obligations).
Clean rooms do not address patents, trade secrets, or other IP issues, and they require rigorous documentation and isolation to hold up legally. In practice, they’re resource-intensive but have been key in historical software cloning efforts (e.g., early PC BIOS).
Note that emerging AI tools raise questions about whether they can truly create “clean” implementations, as models may have been trained on the original code.



