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  1. Crosbie Fitch
    September 29, 2011

    No doubt any cache is considered ephemeral and thus exempt.

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    • Stephan Kinsella
      September 29, 2011

      Does calling it a cache make it so? Suppose an image is stored for months, and accessed many times by Kindle Fires. Why is that an ephemeral cache?

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      • Crosbie Fitch
        September 29, 2011

        The objective is commercial exploitation (via sale of use/access/copies/communication to ‘consuming’ entities), and copyright’s ulterior remit is a constraint is against that (reserving exploitation to the privileged holder). Therefore, any copies that remain ‘unconsumed’ are exempt since they represent no potential commercial loss.

        I’m not trying to justify copyright, I’m just pointing out why ephemeral copies will always be waved away (as otherwise obstructive to the copyright cartel’s profits), and made exempt in any legislative ‘reforms’.

        Copyright will come into force only in terms of the copies/streams that actually traverse or end up on Kindle Fires (not in any intermediary and inaccessible locations).

        Compare streaming to downloading. Exactly the same digital transmission takes place, but the law is an ass and treats as real, web metaphors of streaming as radio broadcast and downloading as distribution.

        Copyright was corrupt from inception. There is no coherence to be discerned in it except as a mechanism for profit (a decreasingly effective mechanism).

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      • Stephan Kinsella
        September 29, 2011

        Why do you assume the copies are “ephemeral”?

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      • Crosbie Fitch
        September 29, 2011

        I only use ‘ephemeral’ in the copyright sense, to mean an intermediary copy that lasts as long as it is useful for the purpose of thereby communicating a work or producing a copy. I don’t use ‘ephemeral’ in the literal sense of something fleeting/nebulous/intangible/short-lived.

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  2. fjas
    September 29, 2011

    that’s just silly. Google Cache does this, the internet archive does this, the opera mobile browser already does this.

    Caching is ephemeral.

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    • Stephan Kinsella
      September 29, 2011

      You guys don’t think like lawyers. We think of the worst case. 3 lines dashed off in a blog comment does not suffice.

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  3. Rebecca Tushnet
    September 29, 2011

    No, it doesn’t, at least in the US. The 512(b) safe harbor for system caching protects the described behavior if other Kindle users already clicked on the relevant links. What’s the argument for why 512(b) wouldn’t apply?

    Text of 17 USC 512(b):
    (b) System Caching.—

    (1) Limitation on liability. — A service provider shall not be liable for monetary relief, or, except as provided in subsection (j), for injunctive or other equitable relief, for infringement of copyright by reason of the intermediate and temporary storage of material on a system or network controlled or operated by or for the service provider in a case in which —

    (A) the material is made available online by a person other than the service provider;

    (B) the material is transmitted from the person described in subparagraph (A) through the system or network to a person other than the person described in subparagraph (A) at the direction of that other person; and

    (C) the storage is carried out through an automatic technical process for the purpose of making the material available to users of the system or network who, after the material is transmitted as described in subparagraph (B), request access to the material from the person described in subparagraph (A), if the conditions set forth in paragraph (2) are met.

    (2) Conditions. — The conditions referred to in paragraph (1) are that —

    (A) the material described in paragraph (1) is transmitted to the subsequent users described in paragraph (1)(C) without modification to its content from the manner in which the material was transmitted from the person described in paragraph (1)(A);

    (B) the service provider described in paragraph (1) complies with rules concerning the refreshing, reloading, or other updating of the material when specified by the person making the material available online in accordance with a generally accepted industry standard data communications protocol for the system or network through which that person makes the material available, except that this subparagraph applies only if those rules are not used by the person described in paragraph (1)(A) to prevent or unreasonably impair the intermediate storage to which this subsection applies;

    (C) the service provider does not interfere with the ability of technology associated with the material to return to the person described in paragraph (1)(A) the information that would have been available to that person if the material had been obtained by the subsequent users described in paragraph (1)(C) directly from that person, except that this subparagraph applies only if that technology –

    (i) does not significantly interfere with the performance of the provider’s system or network or with the intermediate storage of the material;

    (ii) is consistent with generally accepted industry standard communications protocols; and

    (iii) does not extract information from the provider’s system or network other than the information that would have been available to the person described in paragraph (1)(A) if the subsequent users had gained access to the material directly from that person;

    (D) if the person described in paragraph (1)(A) has in effect a condition that a person must meet prior to having access to the material, such as a condition based on payment of a fee or provision of a password or other information, the service provider permits access to the stored material in significant part only to users of its system or network that have met those conditions and only in accordance with those conditions; and

    (E) if the person described in paragraph (1)(A) makes that material available online without the authorization of the copyright owner of the material, the service provider responds expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing upon notification of claimed infringement as described in subsection (c)(3), except that this subparagraph applies only if —

    (i) the material has previously been removed from the originating site or access to it has been disabled, or a court has ordered that the material be removed from the originating site or that access to the material on the originating site be disabled; and

    (ii) the party giving the notification includes in the notification a statement confirming that the material has been removed from the originating site or access to it has been disabled or that a court has ordered that the material be removed from the originating site or that access to the material on the originating site be disabled.

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